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Andre Agassi on Crystal Meth

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ggusta said:
Really? I think the idea of a female athlete is very enticing, but on aesthetic merit alone, I'd have to say no.

The moral is that some pro athletes who have little to gain by telling the truth can do more to lift their image than one who ruthlessly enforces omerta on the one hand and hides behind a bogus hollywood fairy tale on the other ever could.

I hope that maybe some cyclists, and I do not care which ones, will liberate theselves by unburdening their souls.

The legs dude, it was the legs. Amazing legs.
 
Thoughtforfood said:
The legs dude, it was the legs. Amazing legs.
I see your point.

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Alpe d'Huez said:
Not sure if anyone heard, but Andre Agassi has admitted to using crystal meth in his tennis career. No, not cycling related. But what's alarming is that being a nice and friendly guy, he wrote a sob story excuse to the ATA about it being an accident, and the ATA fell for it, and dismissed the test results, allowing him to continue to compete like nothing had happened. (Link here).

What's the moral of the story here, cycling fans?

moral? When Boonen wants to sell sh!tloads of books he will tell all about his love of opium.

There were other stories about him on steroids and missing tests intentionally. See his trainer, former power lifter with a barrel chest to put any body builder to shame. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Reyes_(tennis)

They say Agassi benchpressed 350 pounds. I call either bull****, or definitely some PEDs. That said, the flimsy Scottish or Welsh long jumper, forgot his name, was a reverand, Jonathon someone, he could bench press a huge amount, and was like a jockey.

And steroids and tennis players, and tennis players physiques? Well Petr Korda, aka dunny brush, he was the first player to go for roids. Think greg Rusedski may have gone for a stimulant, this prior to the Argentinians who went en masse for stimulants.
 
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moral? When Boonen wants to sell sh!tloads of books he will tell all about his love of opium.

There were other stories about him on steroids and missing tests intentionally. See his trainer, former power lifter with a barrel chest to put any body builder to shame. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Reyes_(tennis)

They say Agassi benchpressed 350 pounds. I call either bull****, or definitely some PEDs. That said, the flimsy Scottish or Welsh long jumper, forgot his name, was a reverand, Jonathon someone, he could bench press a huge amount, and was like a jockey.

And steroids and tennis players, and tennis players physiques? Well Petr Korda, aka dunny brush, he was the first player to go for roids. Think greg Rusedski may have gone for a stimulant, this prior to the Argentinians who went en masse for stimulants.

From what I have been told, the reason why Henin-Hardine retired a few years ago because she was a client of Fuentes and was going to get busted for it. Same with Federer and Nadal.
 
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rgmerk said:
That recreational drug use and performance-enhancing drug use are two completely different issues, and should not be conflated.

Andre Agassi may have been an idiot for taking meth, but he wasn't a cheat.

It apparently began in 1952 when Doctor Reindell, working with the
famous running coach Woldemar Geschler at Freiburg, decided to use
drugs. Woldemar coached a mediocre middle distance runner named Joseph
Bartel. At the time, Joseph Bartel was ranked 41st in the world. Oscar
Wegener, a colleague of professor Reindell, recently said that when
Joseph Bartell won the Gold medal in the 1952 Helsinki Olympics it was
strictly due to being doped with Pervitin, a substance given to world
war two German soldiers to make them feel temporarily invincible.
Apparently a very powerful drug.


http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.skiing.nordic/2007-09/msg00014.html

pervitin, crystal meth, methamphetamine are synonyms.

I'm not saying Agassi took crystal meth to enhance his performance, but it is possible.
 
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MajorTom said:
I'm not saying Agassi took crystal meth to enhance his performance, but it is possible.

When does posting to point out something is "possible" cross the threshold of just posting something stupid?
 
craig1985 said:
From what I have been told, the reason why Henin-Hardine retired a few years ago because she was a client of Fuentes and was going to get busted for it. Same with Federer and Nadal.

Oh really? It's a shame that Tennis is so secretive, or maybe there are Tennis forums with "Clinics" ? Always assumed Nadal was a good client of Fuentes, but the non-Spanish is a little surprising.

MajorTom said:
pervitin, crystal meth, methamphetamine are synonyms.

I'm not saying Agassi took crystal meth to enhance his performance, but it is possible.

It certainly is in sports where only basic coordination is needed (and endurance is paramount). Unfortunately Tennis requires a refined skill set which would go out the window after a chuff.
 
Ferminal said:
Oh really? It's a shame that Tennis is so secretive, or maybe there are Tennis forums with "Clinics" ? Always assumed Nadal was a good client of Fuentes, but the non-Spanish is a little surprising.
It certainly is in sports where only basic coordination is needed (and endurance is paramount). Unfortunately Tennis requires a refined skill set which would go out the window after a chuff.

Why?
We already know that Dr F had cyclists from Italy, Germany and the US, to name but three.

Credit where credit is due.
The reason why Nadal is a world beater is because he hits the ball as hard in the fifth set, as he does in the first.
Surprisingly, his only real "dip in form" came in 2006.
Of course, this was due to a persistent injury.:rolleyes:
 
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Animal said:
Why don't you tell us?

Amphetamine is a stimulant.

In 1997, 45 years after the post cited and among a plethora of other performance enhancing options not available in 1952, Agassi would "possibly" choose crystal meth.

Do I really need to tell you more?
 
Mellow Velo said:
Why?
We already know that Dr F had cyclists from Italy, Germany and the US, to name but three.

Credit where credit is due.
The reason why Nadal is a world beater is because he hits the ball as hard in the fifth set, as he does in the first.
Surprisingly, his only real "dip in form" came in 2006.
Of course, this was due to a persistent injury.:rolleyes:

Never suggested that he was the only one, just surprising if Fuentes was the one for all the pros. As I said we know so little. What are the logistics of blood doping in tennis? :D Roland Garros and Wimbledon you would probably be okay, but New York, Melbourne?

The way Puerto disappeared, makes me believe that the Spanish had a lot more to lose than gain. You would think Fuentes had more La Liga clients than Serie A. If every name was uncovered, the top sports in Spain would have taken a massive hit, would the impact be the same in the UK, Germany, Italy?
 
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ChrisE - who said:
Children may be reading this forum, who then may go out and smoke crack or something for a shot at Pornikova or that tall blonde tennis player. Or, middle aged lesbians might shoot up for a shot at Billie Jean King.

Please post responsibly. Thanks.

I'm still laughing. Thanks for that. :)))))
 
ChrisE said:
In 1997, 45 years after the post cited and among a plethora of other performance enhancing options not available in 1952, Agassi would "possibly" choose crystal meth.

Do I really need to tell you more?

Why do you need to "tell" people anything?

He took a stimulant.

Obviously having people around to say that it's impossible to use it as an endurance training aid when you lack the motivation just because there are more modern chemicals available probably helps with the excuse building process.

Cyclists used "pot belge" in the 90s. For getting you out there slogging away on the endurance side, I can see primitive stimulants being useful.

This is why I don't listen to Boonen's and Ullrich's excuses.
 
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Animal said:
Why do you need to "tell" people anything?

He took a stimulant.

Obviously having people around to say that it's impossible to use it as an endurance training aid when you lack the motivation just because there are more modern chemicals available probably helps with the excuse building process.

Cyclists used "pot belge" in the 90s. For getting you out there slogging away on the endurance side, I can see primitive stimulants being useful.

This is why I don't listen to Boonen's and Ullrich's excuses.

You wrote "Why don't you tell us." Then I tell you what I think and then you flame me. Is there a diagram somewhere that can illiustrate your posting philosophy or mental machinations better than your words, because I'm confused?

Pot belge is a different issue. Agassi admits getting high with a buddy, and slippery slope assinine IMO argument is that it is "possible" he used it as a PED.

I think it is "possible" for Agassi to extend his court coverage by sticking a bottle rocket in his rectom. I think that is just as ludicrous. YMMV.
 
craig1985 said:
From what I have been told, the reason why Henin-Hardine retired a few years ago because she was a client of Fuentes and was going to get busted for it. Same with Federer and Nadal.

Do you know why she retired almost 2 years after the original OP raid? You would have thought that the evidence would have been available earlier? Am not saying you are necessarily wrong though, i cant help but notice the coincidence that some other players became injured while drug scandals were occurring in other sports...
 
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tifosa said:
I'm still laughing. Thanks for that. :)))))

I guess your welcome, but I fail to see the humor.

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I might not care so much if Rosie Odonell smoked crank for a chance at Billie Jean King. Admittedly, there is some inconsistency in my position here.
 
ITS ALL GOOD DUDES meth is totally nothing but a party drug and it's totally completely ludicrous for anyone to think that a stimulant such as meth provides an athletic gain both in terms of mental focus and physical endurance even though cyclists have used stimulants since they were invented and LOL there are homeless people that are addicted to meth so there is no possible way that it was used as a stimulant by this tennis player who by the way deserves nothing but our sympathy and if anyone should think anything that is remotely different from what I type here then you're just a hater brah and you love cancer and hate excellence.
 
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Animal said:
Why do you need to "tell" people anything?

He took a stimulant.

Obviously having people around to say that it's impossible to use it as an endurance training aid when you lack the motivation just because there are more modern chemicals available probably helps with the excuse building process.

Cyclists used "pot belge" in the 90s. For getting you out there slogging away on the endurance side, I can see primitive stimulants being useful.

This is why I don't listen to Boonen's and Ullrich's excuses.

I don't believe the **** from Boonen of Ulrich either, I've seen first hand use of amphetamines in sport and can categorically state that they are performance enhancing.
 
350Watts said:
I don't believe the **** from Boonen of Ulrich either, I've seen first hand use of amphetamines in sport and can categorically state that they are performance enhancing.

I had a number of College team-mates that used Meth for games. I will not name the sport because I wish to be sure to remain anonymous but it was an NCAA division III American team sport (not cycling). Amphetamines have GIGANTIC performance enhancing effects in sports, especially those that require controlled aggression. These guys were absolute ANIMALS on game day and they sprinted all over the field like uncaged monsters.
 
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BikeCentric said:
I had a number of College team-mates that used Meth for games. I will not name the sport because I wish to be sure to remain anonymous but it was an NCAA division III American team sport (not cycling). Amphetamines have GIGANTIC performance enhancing effects in sports, especially those that require controlled aggression. These guys were absolute ANIMALS on game day and they sprinted all over the field like uncaged monsters.

For real. I had a high school football coach who told us that in college he and his teammates would each drink about a couple gallons of coffee before a game to work themselves up into a complete caffeine rage. Not sure how they dealt with the peeing issue ;)
 

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