Andrew Talansky (garmin) going vegetarian

[janraaskalt]

But it's about trying to do the right things for me, it's my morality, not yours, right? To have a zero-sum mentality is pretty stupid. I try to do my best, and that's all I can do.

100% agreed and supported!

 

[Archibald]

While Kiwibus and Eskaltel hit the nail on the head, here goes...

On a more serious note: if those Veggies feel better than people that eat meat than yes it's hypocritical. For starters, you're not helping the world one bit and it's only natural that animals eat animals. Of course we're animals as well in the strict sense of the word.

As for the veggie pros, I think they're a little bit too gullible. They probably think meat will make them test positive.

so feeling better than someone else is somehow hypocritical? (regardless of ACF claiming that this is "absolutely correct" ) How so?

You're assuming that every vegetarian and vegan is sitting on a high-horse claiming they're saving the world, when there are a myraid of reasons people choose not to eat meat.
As for being natural for animals to eat animals, there are plenty of animals that are herbivores.
That you type this in a "serious note", the best response is in the words of John McEnroe: "you can't be serious"

Absoultely correct.

Archibald, it is hypocritical because the leather the couches they sit on or the leather they wear, or any sort of fur anyone wears results in some sort of animal killing. Many products that are in foods result from a cow being killed and then all the different parts are used in food products which people without hesitation eat. Elephants are taken off elephants in an inhumane way and were used on Piano's yet those same 'green' people will play the piano.

no sh*t, there are times your ignorance is astounding... A vegetarian is someone who chooses to not consume meat. It has nothing to do with veganism, which will not see the active participant wearing leather or dealing with any animal product.
One's a dietary choice, while the other is a lifestyle - nothing hypocritical about either. So a vegetarian on a couch is not hypocritical, and you won't find a vegan buying one.

"Elephants taken off elephants"?? LOL.
Go on sport, find me a piano that's been produced in the last couple of decades with ivory keys

It's astounding how judgemental you are with so little to base that judgement on.


Time to go back to Talansky...

 

[lostintime]

This thread reminds me of the absolute futility and irony in labels. We humans are pure comic genius. We come up with this language to supposedly help us in our communication with each other. We come up with these labels to help us identify things in short . . . . but they never can tell a complete story of what is being labelled, can they?

So we start identifying ourselves as such labels . . . sounds great . . .no long winded explanations needed . That's progress! (everyone clapping ) Look at me .. .. . . I am a _____ ! Wooo Hooooo !!! Sure enough . . . someone questions or comments to us about our newly found labels . . . which leaves to spend the rest of time explaining exactly what that label actually means. . . and of course no one really knows because it's different to every person you ask. Round and round we go . . . . trying to define the labels, usually with more labels! We start getting frustrated . . .make fun of each others choice of labels . . .or maybe we revere their choice of labels to the point of worship !

To this thread in particular . . . yeah . . . wtf is a vegetarian or vegan anyways ? It means nothing really. If you don't want to eat meat or animal products, great . . .end of story. If you want to eat meat . . great . . .end of story. If you don't wan't to use leather . . .end of story. None of these are badges of anything . . . . they're just choices. . . and we are free free free to make any choice we wish. That's what kicks **** about being alive . . and what makes the world go 'round. I celebrate it all

 

[El Pistolero]

While Kiwibus and Eskaltel hit the nail on the head, here goes...



so feeling better than someone else is somehow hypocritical? (regardless of ACF claiming that this is "absolutely correct" ) How so?

You're assuming that every vegetarian and vegan is sitting on a high-horse claiming they're saving the world, when there are a myraid of reasons people choose not to eat meat.
As for being natural for animals to eat animals, there are plenty of animals that are herbivores.
That you type this in a "serious note", the best response is in the words of John McEnroe: "you can't be serious"



no sh*t, there are times your ignorance is astounding... A vegetarian is someone who chooses to not consume meat. It has nothing to do with veganism, which will not see the active participant wearing leather or dealing with any animal product.
One's a dietary choice, while the other is a lifestyle - nothing hypocritical about either. So a vegetarian on a couch is not hypocritical, and you won't find a vegan buying one.

"Elephants taken off elephants"?? LOL.
Go on sport, find me a piano that's been produced in the last couple of decades with ivory keys

It's astounding how judgemental you are with so little to base that judgement on.


Time to go back to Talansky...

I don't think you ever heard of the word "if" in your live. Go learn it before turning all veggie on me. Besides, it's not unheard of for herbivores to eat meat. It's only when the meat takes up more then 5% of their diet that it's called an omnivore.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

would be kinda funny if steak on a stick guy from giro waved his meat in front of Talansky next time he was racing

 

[forty four]

actually herbivorous animals get much dietary protein from all the insects they consume while foraging insects are living creatures people gloss over this fact. veganism is a poor health choice i understand human nutrition quite well. vegetarians can do pretty well as they at least can have TRUE complete proteins from milk and eggs which is important. most vegans i speak with dont even try to argue health benefits as they look silly it seems its mostly and enviromental/no killing stance which i understand. i only laugh when they try and sell me on health benefits of such a diet.

 

[janraaskalt]

i only laugh when they try and sell me on health benefits of such a diet.

Red meat isn't that healthy either. I don't understand why it should be 100% meat free or eating meat every day. Going from 6 times a week 150 grams of meat to 4 times 75 grams certainly could improve your health and the planet.

 

[saganftw]

vegetarians just hate animals,thats why they dont eat them and also eat their food

would be kinda funny if steak on a stick guy from giro waved his meat in front of Talansky next time he was racing

im pretty sure its illegal to wave your meat in public

 

[Escarabajo]

I am interested in knowing of very succesful riders in the past or present that were vegeterians. Anyone know?

By Succesful I mean GT succes. Not like DZ.

Thanks.

 

[Euskaltel!]

I am interested in knowing of very succesful riders in the past or present that were vegeterians. Anyone know?

By Succesful I mean GT succes. Not like DZ.

Thanks.

Robert Millar?

 

[Vegan Dave]

veganism is a poor health choice i understand human nutrition quite well. vegetarians can do pretty well as they at least can have TRUE complete proteins from milk and eggs which is important. most vegans i speak with dont even try to argue health benefits as they look silly it seems its mostly and enviromental/no killing stance which i understand. i only laugh when they try and sell me on health benefits of such a diet.

Anyone who says 'true protein' simply does not understand nutrition.

I'm not going to bother delving into the 'health benefits' argument, but the simple fact of the matter is that we can eat vegan, and attain all the nutrients we need. (I've been testing this for over 20yrs.)

This is a basic nutritional fact that people need to get in their heads, and move forward from there.

 

[Parrulo]

i heat meat and i love meat. simple as that. if people want to be veggies or vegans i have no problem with that. i have a problem however when veggies and vegans go about saying how much better they are for not eating meat and how every1 that eats meat hates animals and doesn't respect them and all that crap.

 

[greenhulk]

the dude is already pale, why intensify that

 

[Michielveedeebee]

i heat meat and i love meat. Simple as that. If people want to be veggies or vegans i have no problem with that. I have a problem however when veggies and vegans go about saying how much better they are for not eating meat and how every1 that eats meat hates animals and doesn't respect them and all that crap.

+1,000,000

 

[Granville57]

i heat meat and i love meat.

Well, that's because you heat it. Otherwise you'd be eating raw meat. Nasty.
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I just wanted to jump in before this thread gets bounced to its proper forum. So glad to see the same debate is going round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round again.

I've stood firmly on both sides of this fence for years at a time.

Don't preach about it, it only widens the chasm.
Live your life. Do what's right for you. Keep an open mind.

Peace.

 

[Anonymous]

Absoultely correct.

Archibald, it is hypocritical because the leather the couches they sit on or the leather they wear, or any sort of fur anyone wears results in some sort of animal killing. Many products that are in foods result from a cow being killed and then all the different parts are used in food products which people without hesitation eat. Elephan's tusks are taken off elephants in an inhumane way and were used on Piano's yet those same 'green' people will play the piano.

So vegetarians all have leather sofa's and leather shoes???

Talk about stereotyping everyone.

(and for the record piano keys arent made from Ivory and havnt been in a longtime)

Sometimes you really do talk a load of uninformed crap.

I shall let the wife know when she gets in that she is a hypocrit, and curse her for wearing her vegan plastic shoes and eating her food that has NO animal products or byproducts in it, when she sits back on our natural fibre sofa.

Sometimes mate you really can be a tool

Seriously, how many vegatarians have you seen wearing fur????

 

[The Sheep]

During the week I'm a vegetarian but on weekends I go clubbing seals

 

[Escarabajo]

Robert Millar?

Was he(she) really??

Never heard of it.

 

[Archibald]

I don't think you ever heard of the word "if" in your live. Go learn it before turning all veggie on me. Besides, it's not unheard of for herbivores to eat meat. It's only when the meat takes up more then 5% of their diet that it's called an omnivore.

sure, I've heard of 'if', but that has nothing to do with my challenging your comment. You still haven't explained how someone feeling better than someone else (if they are) is hypocritical...

And how exactly am I "turning all veggie on" you simply because I challenge your statement?

 

[Skip Madness]

This isn't worth getting into a stew about.

 

[auscyclefan94]

So vegetarians all have leather sofa's and leather shoes???

Talk about stereotyping everyone.

(and for the record piano keys arent made from Ivory and havnt been in a longtime)

Sometimes you really do talk a load of uninformed crap.

I shall let the wife know when she gets in that she is a hypocrit, and curse her for wearing her vegan plastic shoes and eating her food that has NO animal products or byproducts in it, when she sits back on our natural fibre sofa.

Sometimes mate you really can be a tool

Seriously, how many vegatarians have you seen wearing fur????

Did I ever say that all of them had Leather couches or fur? No. Learn to read. I am sure I could find things in your home that were made from killing animals. It doesn't make me a tool because you will have many vegetarians who feel guilty about eating meat because of the killing of animals yet some will wear leather shoes, jackets, handbags, scarves, jumpers, coats, etc. I have a relative who is exactly like that.


The ivory keys point was kind of a bit off topic as they haven't used for quite a while

 

[Anonymous]

Did I ever say that all of them had Leather couches or fur? No. Learn to read. I am sure I could find things in your home that were made from killing animals. It doesn't make me a tool because you will have many vegetarians who feel guilty about eating meat because of the killing of animals yet some will wear leather shoes, jackets, handbags, scarves, jumpers, coats, etc. I have a relative who is exactly like that.


The ivory keys point was kind of a bit off topic as they haven't used for quite a while

I can read, you said "so many" which would indicate a large amount, perhaps even a majority.

And actually, with the exception of my food (i have no problem eating meat) you wont find very much in our house that is an animal byproduct. I have a bodhran which does have a skin made from animal hide, and an african drum. Outside of that, neither of us own anything leather, suede or fur (and that includes shoes), we also dont own anything made from angora - rabbit wool - (normal wool is not cruel). We dont purchase anything tested on animals, all toiletries, cleaning products etc are guaranteed not tested (or ingredients tested either). We dont even buy pet foods from companies that do animal testing (iams, proctor and gamble etc), as well as various other companies with very bad reputations, nestle etc. We dont buy from Body Shop as their owners are renowned for animal testing. The list goes on an on. a large percentage of our clothing is fair trade, and not just "fair trade" but bought directly from sellers in india and africa (the joys of the internet).

So before you generalise based on your experiences with some fashion veggies (and your relative who may or may not be a hippocrite) get your facts straight.

edit: i stand corrected. I have gone through the whole of down stairs and in addition to my bodhran there is a traditional roman game (similar to draughts) that is in a leather drawstring bag that the wife bought me at a roman day. Frankly im surprised she bought that for me, but there you go. Two items.

Honestly, to people concerned about animal welfare, your "most vegetarians are hippocrites" comment is like saying most black americans are murderers, or most english people are stupid, or most french people smell of garlic.

 

[Anonymous]

The ivory keys point was kind of a bit off topic as they haven't used for quite a while

You are pulling a DAOTEC

The ivory point wasnt "off topic" the ivory point was WRONG

 

[veganrob]

I am interested in knowing of very succesful riders in the past or present that were vegeterians. Anyone know?

By Succesful I mean GT succes. Not like DZ.

Thanks.

Their hasn't been a real GT contender up till this point that is vegan. I don't count Levi. Bleh. But that will change. Understand that it is still a relatively new thing about vegans being great athletes because of how we were brought up. As meat eaters. But there are endurance athletes that have already reached the top of their respective sport. Scott Jurek, ultrarunner. He was practically unbeatable for years. It will happen in cycling too. Many in other sports as well. Even NFL, NHL, MLB, MMA
I have been vegan for 33 years. I am 56 now and thrive in sports. We didn't have a lot to go on as far as nutritional advice years ago. Most people associate the veggie as a weak, skinny person. They may have been. Just because one is a vegan means they eat healthy. But maintaining a healthy vegan diet for me is just the best way to go. I feel fantastic and can kick a$$.
Peace

 

[veganrob]

I meant being vegan doesn't mean they eat a healthy. Sorry