Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

2/3 second places in tdf and one dubious win and a 2nd place in Giro... listen dude, 10 world itt titles is legend material

I would say Andy has already reached legend status. He is the Jan Ulrich of this generation. He along with Contador, Cancellara and Boonen are legends.

 

[ultimobici]

I personally would take Schleck's GT record over 10 world ITT's. That is perhaps simply a preference for racing styles.

And the World Pursuit Championships, not to mention the 2 U23 Paris-Roubaix titles he already has? All won on the road, not at CAS to boot.

Nobody here knows the comparative work ethics of Andy and Taylor. We are arm chair pundits, second guessing, with no knowledge of their respective preparation records. Also, a fair comparison of motivation would be when Phinney has had a serious fall on the bike and is clearly struggling mentally.

You must have missed the 2012 Giro and Phinney's stage 3 crash. 3 stitches in his ankle and he carried on, all the way to Milan.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I would say Andy has already reached legend status. He is the Jan Ulrich of this generation. He along with Contador, Cancellara and Boonen are legends.

I just saw someone other than airstream call Andy a legend

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

And the World Pursuit Championships, not to mention the 2 U23 Paris-Roubaix titles he already has? All won on the road, not at CAS to boot.

To the layman these titles mean nothing.

You must have missed the 2012 Giro and Phinney's stage 3 crash. 3 stitches in his ankle and he carried on, all the way to Milan.

I watched it of course. Could Phinney have continued through the Giro with a broken pelvis? If so, then yes we have a fair comparison.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

I just saw someone other than airstream call Andy a legend

You don't consider him a legend of the current generation?

As much as I like Contador his legend status unfortunately looks to be diminishing. The apparent difference in his abilities is staggering.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You don't consider him a legend of the current generation?

As much as I like Contador his legend status unfortunately looks to be diminishing. The apparent difference in his abilities is staggering.

I consider Fabian and Boonen the only legends of this generation. they will be remembered in 30 years. Don't mean to offend but in 30 years I will have forgotten Andy and Alberto. They're achievements aren't special especially Andy's. Alberto could become a legend if he gets his act together and wins at least 5 more GTs and some classics and worlds but he won't.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

I consider Fabian and Boonen the only legends of this generation. they will be remembered in 30 years. Don't mean to offend but in 30 years I will have forgotten Andy and Alberto. They're achievements aren't special especially Andy's. Alberto could become a legend if he gets his act together and wins at least 5 more GTs and some classics and worlds but he won't.

It's consistent GT guys who are remembered primarily. Armstrong, Ulrich, Pantani, Indurain, Lemond and further back

Edit - that said I do agree that Andy needs a couple more GTs to cement status (Contador has done enough already)

 

[LaFlorecita]

It's consistent GT guys who are remembered primarily. Armstrong, Ulrich, Pantani, Indurain, Lemond and further back

I don't consider Ullrich and Lemond legends

 

[El Pistolero]

Fabian will be remembered because he won the first 3 spring Monuments, only rider in the current peloton to do so. And also for being one of the best time trial specialists of the sport.

Contador will be remember because he won all 3 GTs, very select club.

Boonen will be remembered for being the record holder of the Ronde van Vlaanderen, Paris-Roubaix, Gent-Wevelgem, E3 Prijs Vlaanderen, green jersey winner in the Tour and also World Champ on the road.

 

[peloton]

Fabian will be remembered because he won the first 3 spring Monuments, only rider in the current peloton to do so. And also for being one of the best time trial specialists of the sport.

Contador will be remember because he won all 3 GTs, very select club.

Boonen will be remembered for being the record holder of the Ronde van Vlaanderen, Paris-Roubaix, Gent-Wevelgem, E3 Prijs Vlaanderen, green jersey winner in the Tour and also World Champ on the road.

+1

Some fine riders and great results right there.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

I don't consider Ullrich and Lemond legends

For me they are the first names that spring to mind when I think about a respective generation of the peloton. Maybe I am just biased towards GT's though

 

[Netserk]

Ullrich, Pantani, Contador, Boonen, Cancellara, Vino and Bettini are all legends.

Andy is nowhere near them. The only wins he has is 1 monument and then some mountain stages in the Tour.

 

[LaFlorecita]

For me they are the first names that spring to mind when I think about a respective generation of the peloton. Maybe I am just biased towards GT's though

I think you are, yes, i fyou consider Andy's GT palmares better than 10 worlds itt titles

 

[Netserk]

Valverde is also much closer to legend status than Andy. But neither are.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

I think you are, yes, i fyou consider Andy's GT palmares better than 10 worlds itt titles

Over exaggeration on my part.

2nd at three consecutive TDF is hugely impressive though

 

[Netserk]

Over exaggeration on my part.

2nd at three consecutive TDF is hugely impressive though

Only a loser like Andy has 2nd places as 'hugely impressive' on their palmares.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Only a loser like Andy has 2nd places as 'hugely impressive' on their palmares.

Oooh, harsh

 

[willbick]

why do u say 2nd at 3 successive TdFs? he won in 2010

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Only a loser like Andy has 2nd places as 'hugely impressive' on their palmares.

Other than Contador please list those with a better GT record than Andy over the past 7 years? Who else can match the consistency?

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

why do u say 2nd at 3 successive TdFs? he won in 2010

None of the Andy haters consider him winner that year

 

[willbick]

the guy who came 1st in 2010 cheated. if schleck came 2nd to someone on a motorbike would he not be the true winner?!

 

[LaFlorecita]

why do u say 2nd at 3 successive TdFs? he won in 2010

He didn't win in 2010. He got the 2010 race as a gift in 2012

 

[willbick]

having said that im not 100% sure about 2010 schleck. the way he went past guys like they were standing still after dropping his chain that time was....hmmmmm

 

[Netserk]

Other than Contador please list those with a better GT record than Andy over the past 7 years? Who else can match the consistency?

Consistency in losing? Lots.

Better GT record in the last 7 years? Menchov, Evans and Basso amongst others.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Ullrich, Pantani, Contador, Boonen, Cancellara, Vino and Bettini are all legends.

Andy is nowhere near them. The only wins he has is 1 monument and then some mountain stages in the Tour.

How can I take you seriously when your signature contradicts your legends list?