Andy Schleck Discussion thread.

[The Hitch]

For all jens vices, one knows he is deluded or talking crap when one gets to the part where he says that Andy took chaingate "like a man".

 

[The Hitch]

But had it been a direct attack instead of a sneak attack, would Andy have been able to drop the competitors? To my memory, Evans climbed the last mountain faster than Andy.
And the following day where Andy could have closed the race, he wasn't able to punch holes as Evans had been alerted.

Sure it doesn't answer the Andy vs. Contador question, for that we'd have to ask if Contador would need a sneak attack to throw Evans.

Yes of course Evans went up the last climb faster than Andy. Andy had been out 49 k by then.

 

[The Hitch]

*cough* "Andy" Schleck discussion thread..

Take it to the Contador thread and there we'll discuss it.

The thread was created on the day Andy won on galibier to praise his 60km attack on that stage -18.

Discussion as to what the results.for other riders of his attack were seems to me.to be perfectly on topic

 

[roundabout]

What results? According to you, Schleck's attack had no effect on Contador as he would have been dropped anyway.

 

[LaFlorecita]

For all jens vices, one knows he is deluded or talking crap when one gets to the part where he says that Andy took chaingate "like a man".

Lol. So true.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What results? According to you, Schleck's attack had no effect on Contador as he would have been dropped anyway.

Which is completely true.

Let me quote Hitch:

Discussion as to what the results.for other riders of his attack were seems to me.to be perfectly on topic

Does he state that Alberto dropping was the result of Andy's attack?

 

[ElChingon]

For all jens vices, one knows he is deluded or talking crap when one gets to the part where he says that Andy took chaingate "like a man".

Isn't that when the Anger in the Belly comment came out? Not sure I've heard that out of too many men...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Isn't that when the Anger in the Belly comment came out? Not sure I've heard that out of too many men...

Yeah he had a bit of a fire in his belly.

 

[roundabout]

Which is completely true. (1)

Let me quote Hitch:



Does he state that Alberto dropping was the result of Andy's attack?(2)

(1) You're right, refusing to admit that other riders can successfully put pressure on Contador is completely true for his fans.

(2)No, which is why "THE KNEE" discussion is off topic here.

 

[LaFlorecita]

(1) You're right, refusing to admit that other riders can successfully put pressure on Contador is completely true for his fans.

That's not true. Of course that can happen, it has happened a million times before.

All Hitch (and I) are trying to point out is that Alberto cracking had nothing to do with Andy's attack. He would've bonked anyway.

That doesn't make Andy's attack any less good. But still, if you get satisfaction out of Andy making Alberto crack, then go ahead and continue thinking that was the case.

 

[roundabout]

That's not true. Of course that can happen, it has happened a million times before.

All Hitch (and I) are trying to point out is that Alberto cracking had nothing to do with Andy's attack. He would've bonked anyway.

That doesn't make Andy's attack any less good. But still, if you get satisfaction out of Andy making Alberto crack, then go ahead and continue thinking that was the case.

Uh, no. I see you both continuing to refuse to admit that making the race hard early had any effect. Remember, going faster uses up more energy.

I am not writing that contador definitely had cracked because of the attack, but the whole "his knee was ****ed, he would have bonked anyway" etc sure seems like an attempt to not give credit.

 

[The Hitch]

What results? According to you, Schleck's attack had no effect on Contador as he would have been dropped anyway.

Yes and thats part of the debate is it not?

Did Andy Schlecks attack cause Contador to blow.

A poster said that Schleck's attack did cause Contador to blow.

If i do not agree with this, am I supposed to go and create a totally new thread about it?

Following this logic through, if i do not agree that "Dave Zabriskie is the best tter in the world" presumably i will be posting off topic if i put this opinion forward in the designated thread, so we should create a new thread titled "Dave Zabriskie is not the best tter in the world" for all those who disagree.

Its a simple back and forth , and yet the wannabe mods who seems to me are the real "drama queens",(your words directed at anopther poster) end up causing all these problems by finding fault in these harmless and constructive cycling discussions, what a "forum" is supposed to be about.

Conversation is the bread and butter of the forum, and this form of insult absent convo has been what has been lacking on the forum recently.

It would a shame to see the right to converse about cycling lost, because some posters find it so painful to see Contador's name brought up.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Uh, no. I see you both continuing to refuse to admit that making the race hard early had any effect. Remember, going faster uses up more energy.

I am not writing that contador definitely had cracked because of the attack, but the whole "his knee was ****ed, he would have bonked anyway" etc sure seems like an attempt to not give credit.

Andy is so awesome, he completely cracked Alberto with his magnificent attack, no one but Andy could've cracked him, Alberto was in such great form yet Andy completely crushed him. Andy must be the best climber ever.

 

[roundabout]

Andy is so awesome, he completely cracked Alberto with his magnificent attack, no one but Andy could've cracked him, Alberto was in such great form yet Andy completely crushed him. Andy must be the best climber ever.

Lame strawman is lame.

 

[roundabout]

Yes and thats part of the debate is it not?

Did Andy Schlecks attack cause Contador to blow.

A poster said that Schleck's attack did cause Contador to blow.

If i do not agree with this, am I supposed to go and create a totally new thread about it?

Following this logic through, if i do not agree that "Dave Zabriskie is the best tter in the world" presumably i will be posting off topic if i put this opinion forward in the designated thread, so we should create a new thread titled "Dave Zabriskie is not the best tter in the world" for all those who disagree.

Its a simple back and forth , and yet the wannabe mods who seems to me are the real "drama queens",(your words directed at anopther poster) end up causing all these problems by finding fault in these harmless and constructive cycling discussions, what a "forum" is supposed to be about.

Conversation is the bread and butter of the forum, and this form of insult absent convo has been what has been lacking on the forum recently.

It would a shame to see the right to converse about cycling lost, because some posters find it so painful to see Contador's name brought up.

Great, 8 paragraphs and god knows how many words arguing in favor of Contador's condition (which is what it will ultimately lead to) being discussed in an Andy Schleck thread.

 

[airstream]

All Hitch (and I) are trying to point out is that Alberto cracking had nothing to do with Andy's attack. He would've bonked anyway.

Wheeze. The stage could have developed ad lib if Schleck or Contador hadn't been strong enough to go off. It could be even the Plateau de Beille parade in theory. Exactly Andy planted the bomb under that stage, by sentencing it to be so dramatic in all respects.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Wheeze. The stage could have developed ad lib if Schleck or Contador hadn't been strong enough to go off. It could be even the Plateau de Beille parade in theory. Exactly Andy planted the bomb under that stage, by sentencing it to be so dramatic in all respects.

What??

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

I don't think that you could say that Andy directly cracked AC. This implies the two riding together then Andy suddenly (and massively) leaving Contador behind. In fact, when Contador bonked, he was, like the rest of the group, rapidly reducing Andy's advantage. It was Evans' push to catch Andy that dropped Contador. For whatever reason AC wasn't on top form that day (probably a combination of mental fatigue, physical fatigue, injury etc).

Andy had a great day and it was very exciting to watch. However, his consequential timegains would have been further reduced (possibly fully) if the rest hadn't messed about in the valley.

 

[airstream]

What??

Exactly what couldn't you understand?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Exactly what couldn't you understand?

Wheeze. The stage could have developed ad lib if Schleck or Contador hadn't been strong enough to go off. It could be even the Plateau de Beille parade in theory. Exactly Andy planted the bomb under that stage, by sentencing it to be so dramatic in all respects.

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[airstream]

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Ah, it's clear Andy dropped him indirectly. Just imagine what could have happened if there hadn't been Andy. Who could have attacked? No one.

 

[Chef_Vodnik]

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In plain english:

I concur. The stage could have developed differently if Schleck or Contador hadn't been strong enough to go off. It could even have been the second showing of the Plateau de Beille showdown which saw next to no action. Andy made the stage interesting by sentencing it to be one of the more exciting ones in the tour with that attack.

 

[LaFlorecita]

In plain english:

Thanks!

 

[airstream]

In plain english:

Lol, thanks Chef. At least you understand me.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lol, thanks Chef. At least you understand me.

Well I assume CV is a native speaker. Really, for me most of your posts are incomprehensible.