Another U.S. Postal Rider confirms systematic doping within team - N.Y. Times

[Oldman]

and may i remind all you looking in on the US from abroad. This is our Electorate

Before you get too pessimistic realize that these folks love to rant, blather, threaten and demonstrate. Voting is a chore that most, hopefully, do not do. I seem to recall several "joe plumber" types the Republicans touted had never actually voted. Carly whatshername who ran for office in California; didn't she have to admit she hadn't voted?

 

[oldschoolnik]

Good post.

This the other problem I have with Lance doping and the "everyone was doing" justification.

By Lance and USPS doping they needed a sophistiacated drug network of supply, transport and delivary.

By this network being set up to faciltate the drug use it remains in place. Thus the sellers, the mules and logistics are in place for the suppliers to sell drugs not only to USPS but other teams, other riders, younger riders down the ranks and worst of all introducing junior riders to drugs. The network facilitates and promotes drug use down the chain. There is much harm done and more than likely the odd cancer case from it's use.

The issue is not just "did Lance dope?" it's much much bigger than that.

Right you are. Armstrong put himself forward as drug free and sold his image on the fact that he was clean. All the while whilst he was encouraging younger riders to dope.

Not good.

Lance is a con man. Robbing from the poor and giving to himself. The fact that he passed himself off as a messiah all this time was his masterstroke. Why wouldn't you believe him?

I will add to this the French. For many years they jumped up and down and screamed doper. It wasn't Lance they hated it's just that they were sick of drugs being run through their country. They've now been proven right. I'm sure Americans wouldn't want a bunch of Frenchies distributing and trafficking drugs through the US.

+1 This is it right here! That's why I love the totally-boiled-down-version of "What' the difference between Lance Armstrong and Floyd Landis? : One lied to millions while doping to win the Tour De France and the other lied to the Cancer community.

 

[Elagabalus]

I think the Feds have more paid hacks than Armstrong, but I don't think either side would bother padding out some comments on people magazine. Most people don't even read the comments below articles. I know I don't.

There are a lot of cycling fans that do admire the great riders in the sport - just look at how Contador's fanbase have increased in recent years - so there will be a lot of fans who support Armstrong in one way or another.

Ahem ...

http://bikezilla.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/lance-armstrong-hes-earned-more-than-bad-press/

Start at the middle of the page where he talks about his readership. Interesting, no?

 

[MacRoadie]

The more ignorant the fans are, the more it will hurt Armstrong. But if you've been following cycling for a long time and know that in every tour that Armstrong won the guy who came second also doped, it's not as big deal - you won't see any proper fans of the sport calling Armstrong a fraud.

Back on the ignorant, oops, I mean ignore list you go...

 

[Oldman]

I don't even know how to respond to some of those people comments.

are they for real?

There is a term for that type of reasoning and I just can't remember what it is it is that pathetic.....

Does this quote come with crying video:
Leslie Jacobs Ruddock9:14 am
Jealous people.
They cannot find incriminating evidence against Lance, but they keep trying.
So sick of the liars.
Leave Lance alone...
(Sounds like a Britney fan with nothing to do)

 

[Hugh Januss]

You haven't been reading this forum very long if you believe it is not about LA's personality first and foremost. It's not even a secret.

You really think a bunch of cycling fans want to see someone go to jail for doping like all of their competitors?

Since your first post was 20 minutes ago, I'm curious how long you have been reading this forum. Or have you maybe had other names? About 100 of them?

 

[CPAvelo]

Armstrong won the guy who came second also doped, it's not as big deal - you won't see any proper fans of the sport calling Armstrong a fraud.

Thanks much for your trivializing the allegations against LA. What must I have been thinking to consider him not only a fraud, but of the most severe and pathological type?. Just thankful he never claimed to walk on water, as much as he played the Messiah.

Glad to know I am not a proper fan of the sport. Valuable contribution.

 

[Anonymous]

I could see that going the other way. The fact that he has done so much good for people might make the doping seem rather petty in the scheme of things. But his reputation will likely take the biggest knock in America where apparently most people have no idea about doping in cycling. In Europe and else where it is common knowledge that GC riders doped to stay competitive during that period, so people have long ago accepted that side of Armstrong but still respect his achievements anyway.

The more ignorant the fans are, the more it will hurt Armstrong. But if you've been following cycling for a long time and know that in every tour that Armstrong won the guy who came second also doped, it's not as big deal - you won't see any proper fans of the sport calling Armstrong a fraud.[/QUOTE]

Wow. You have really come a long way.

 

[Anonymous]

It's the clear implication of spreading lies about forcing people to dope. They are clearly trying to paint a picture that is distorted.

Funny you should use the word 'distorted.'

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

First, there are a ton of paid hacks padding these comments.
Second, you're getting comments from people who know nothing about cycling, much less the investigation or the issues involved.

I nearly busted a gut when I read this.

Facebook User7:58 am
Why is it that every time this pops up the media there are so many people who don't know anything about Lance, or follow the Tour, or know the story behind the morons making the accusations, are the first ones to through Lance under the bus??

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20408050,00.html

 

[mastersracer]

Oh I don't know.. he's hanging in there..

http://www.google.com/trends?q=lance+armstrong,+hillary+clinton&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

http://www.google.com/trends?q=lance+armstrong,+george+bush&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

http://www.google.com/trends?q=lance+armstrong,+osama+bin+laden&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

the relevant comparison is his 2004 and 2005 peaks vs. the Landis allegation. By comparison, the Landis allegation barely registers. For relative popularity, try Lance Armstrong and Kim Kardashian:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=Lanc...ashian&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all&sort=0

 

[workingclasshero]

Does this quote come with crying video:
Leslie Jacobs Ruddock9:14 am
Jealous people.
They cannot find incriminating evidence against Lance, but they keep trying.
So sick of the liars.
Leave Lance alone...
(Sounds like a Britney fan with nothing to do)

is it chris???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

 

[CPAvelo]

You haven't been reading this forum very long if you believe it is not about LA's personality first and foremost. It's not even a secret.

You really think a bunch of cycling fans want to see someone go to jail for doping like all of their competitors?

A little longer than you, but then I haven't been banned or even warned about my posts.

This goes beyond whether cycling fans want to see a competitor going to jail over doping. Lance's exploitation of the cancer community and so many others is egregious in the extreme.

And I am sure the federal investigators believe that matter is only about his personality. If he is indicted, it won't be because he doped to win bike races. It will be for all the real crimes he allegedly committed along the way, made possible by the doping culture and his Texas sized ego.

 

[Anonymous]

Winding up for the parting shot? I guess you are surprised you lasted this long.

Toodles.

 

[CPAvelo]

No I haven't actually.

(come a long way, that is)

First true statement from our newest contributor.

 

[CPAvelo]

Do you actually ever contribute to a thread in a meaningful way? All you ever do is make little snide remarks that are only done to tip off the cops, or you share a joke with someone before stabbing them in the back.

No longer attempting to conceal your true identity, eh?

 

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately Race Radio has a history of making statements that he cannot source or back up, like his friend thehog. He likes to hint that he is some big player, perhaps a former pro, but in reality he only works for a sponsor of a team. He just spends his time gossiping about Armstrong like an old woman and emailing support to Betsy Andreu. He never raced professionally at all.

Moderator Alpe d'Huez specifically says anyone who makes claims of inside information without backing it up or revealing their own real idenity, is a troll, but because he is friends with Race Radio he allows him to do this. That's how this forum operates.

Since I went away over a week ago they have now set up BPC fan club or something, which is interesting. But BroDeal let slip in the same thread that they already have a community that coordinates their troll attacks on other forums. It's not even a secret anymore. You only have to google around for a few minutes to find BroDeal talking about how they were going to coopt cycling news forums and use it to spread propaganda.

Nice people.

It's sorta the exact oppisite.

 

[workingclasshero]

zzzzzzzz

do you not ever get bored of boring people being looked upon by everyone like the lance fan version of chris crocker, your mam must be so proud i'd be crying my eyes out every night laying sleepless in bed thinking about what a loser people think i am

 

[FrankDrack]

Creed seems a likely possibility. This is just anecdote to me, but I am under the impression, Creed choose the relative obscurity of racing in America because he didn't want to dope in order to have a career in Europe. If I were an investigator, I would want to talk to such people.

I am guessing that it is JV

 

[Anonymous]

<troll nonsense>

Well good for them but some of us have other priorities.

Like getting paid everytime you stroke your keyboard??

 

[Hugh Januss]

Do you actually ever contribute to a thread in a meaningful way? All you ever do is make little snide remarks that are only done to tip off the cops, or you share a joke with someone before stabbing them in the back.

I don't bother to contribute when you are around as there is no reason to discuss anything with you. You will post whatever troll drivel you want and then you'll be killed off again.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I see the Borg are replicating well, this evening/afternoon.

 

[sheenyp]

My favourite quote from Beckie:

"Floyd should follow in Tyler Hamilton's footsteps, who plainly said yes, I'm guilty and I will take my two year suspension and come back to the sport a changed man and better athlete"

Are there two Tyler Hamiltons?? Or maybe she is talking about his twin

 

[CPAvelo]

Well good for them but some of us have other priorities.

Persistence at least.

He loves me, he loves me not, he loves me, he loves me not. I suspect LA does not return your affection.

And, you must not read your Dear John letters.

 

[Animal]

Do you actually ever contribute to a thread in a meaningful way? All you ever do is make little snide remarks that are only done to tip off the cops, or you share a joke with someone before stabbing them in the back.

With only 7 posts how would you know what a longtime poster ever does?

Oh. Right.