Anyone else hoping Ashenden will hold off

[Dear Wiggo]

Really you just stop? What do you tell your teammates who are doping with you? What do you tell the DS? The doctor? What happens if you want to race the Tour but clean and knowing the team you're on only wants the A team? You want keep your contract and you'd never want your teammates to fallout because of your change in ways.

You have to be kidding me. It's your job and you still want to ride so how do you stop?

Have you note taken note of anything that's occurred in the last 12 years?

Believe me you can't talk with anyone. You can only confide in someone you trust and someone who understands cycling.

Yes. Really. You tell your teammates and DS and doctor that you've had enough and want to go home. Like Bassons had to.

WTF are you on about - you want to ride the Tour clean after doping. What a ridiculous idea. You're going to be DFL and certainly not on the A team. How do you keep your contract and not dope to maintain that performance level? You did say, "stop doping", not "tone it down a little", right?

What on earth can Ashenden do to help that rider maintain their current doped performance without doping.

How does a pro rider develop a level of trust with someone on the ABP panel who is a doping researcher? What exactly is it that links those two people together long enough to develop that level of trust?

 

[thehog]

Yes. Really. You tell your teammates and DS and doctor that you've had enough and want to go home. Like Bassons had to.

WTF are you on about - you want to ride the Tour clean after doping. What a ridiculous idea. You're going to be DFL and certainly not on the A team. How do you keep your contract and not dope to maintain that performance level? You did say, "stop doping", not "tone it down a little", right?

What on earth can Ashenden do to help that rider maintain their current doped performance without doping.

How does a pro rider develop a level of trust with someone on the ABP panel who is a doping researcher? What exactly is it that links those two people together long enough to develop that level of trust?

I give up. Who said anything about maintaining the same level.

Have you ever spoken with someone as a sounding board? Just someone to listen?

Someone who understands both sides of the sport.

You're just playing with me. That much is true.

You're being silly now. Grow up.

You're understanding of the sport is most naive.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I give up. Who said anything about maintaining the same level.

Have you ever spoken with someone as a sounding board? Just someone to listen?

Someone who understands both sides of the sport.

You're just playing with me. That much is true.

You're being silly now. Grow up.

You're understanding of the sport is most naive.

You're channeling Krebs Cycle now.

Feel free to answer any of the questions I have asked.

It took me a while to realise Cadel may not be clean - that was bloody hard.

I had ChewbaccaD ranting and cussing at me for questioning David Millar's motives too - he couldn't actually tell me what questions Millar asked of McQuaid, but apparently Millar's "the man" for "sticking it to McQuaid".

I also questioned JV, and his "publicly stated anti-doping policy". You should have seen people get their backs up about that. Noone could show me the policy though. Not the words. Not on a website somewhere. All defensive about JV they were, like he is some kind of untouchable demi-god that deigns to grace us with his presence.

Well tough.

Yes, I have used someone as a sounding board, and been used as such. By close, personal friends and vice versa. Are you saying the doping researcher and ABP panel member is a close personal friend of a pro rider? How exactly did that come about? That doesn't seem at least a little strange to you?

My understanding of the sport is fine.

If the rider called, they feel guilty, or some other similar type of emotion - they feel bad for their opponents. I understand that. Felt it myself. The unfairness of it all. It's a crap feeling and one that not many shared in that race I won a few years back. But my way of dealing with it was to not go back. And if I did, I planned to join the opposition, to even things up. Make it fair again. But that's amateur level racing, and my livelihood doesn't depend on it.

I still want to understand how an ABP panel member & doping researcher develops a close personal friendship with a professional bike racer.

 

[thehog]

Sometimes the lunacy of people amazes me and I always expect the worst.

It's not like Ashenden is pretty much the leading expert in the anti-doping brigades on blood doping and what it entails. Of course asking him for an interpretation is just meaningless isn't it!

Anyone thinking this is bad should see some of the garbage posted on the Facebook page for cyclingnews. Lots of hard core denial occurring this week with every article involving less than wonderful boy. I cannot believe people buy the crap Fabiana sprouts. Given his record being the barking dog for numerous frauds and liars, one would have thought they'd put two and two together. But that is the point. The fans are mostly idiots and are treated as such by their idols. Oh well

He hasn't fallen into the equivalent of a Royal watcher asked for his opinion on Harry's behavior!

Do you have a link to these Facebook pages? I'd love to read the comments.

 

[D-Queued]

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It took me a while to realise Cadel may not be clean - that was bloody hard.

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Not sure why you guys are always going at each other.

But, kudos for your concession.

From your post, I just fully realized that I must never have been much of a fan of Cadel. Coming to that realization wasn't so hard for me, but can appreciate the situational challenge.

That you have shared that Cadel may not be clean is very helpful for my own cause. With this acknowledgement, it is even more clear that Indurain was the last clean winner of the Tour de France.

Soon, I am sure, there will be at least one other person here that agrees with me.

Dave.