- Jul 29, 2012
Trolling much?ppanther92 said:I understand why guys like Monfort, JVDB, Zubeldia and the most extreme example Francis De Greef are mocked for, but a top15 in a GT i still something 90% of the riders will never achieve. So show atleast a little love.
Yeah but they didn't achieved a 4th and 5(3)th place in the Tour, a 7th place in the Giro and an 8th place in the Vuelta. JVDB for example did. Mock him for being the total opposite of an attractive rider, but not for his GC skills.Dekker_Tifosi said:Trolling much?ppanther92 said:I understand why guys like Monfort, JVDB, Zubeldia and the most extreme example Francis De Greef are mocked for, but a top15 in a GT i still something 90% of the riders will never achieve. So show atleast a little love.
Even guys like Kevin de Weert, Johnny Hoogerland and Koos Moerenhout achieved top 15 in a GC.
Hell Devolder even.
Well, JVDB and Zubeldia don't / didn't do that? Monfort always went for a top 10, but ok. We all know that that goal maybe is a bit too optimistic.hrotha said:I don't mock those guys for being top 15. I mock them for riding for a top 15, which is a completely different concept.
I remember reading Fugelsang's ire to Danish TV after that full bottle incident left him looking like The Mummy. I don't get the impression that JVDB is well liked.Billie said:Monfort is generally considered one of the nicest guys in the peloton. Would like to know what VDB said to him to make him so angry. VDB really needs to put lesser pressure on himself. He's a pest to be around when he's going for GC. Lotto management are clearly fed up with him and are probably happy they don't have to endure him at the tour. Wonder where he'll ride next season.
This also made me think of the time he was angry at Sarkozy good times
Are you arguing that GC guys without realistic hope to be on the podium shouldn't be GC riders, or that they should change their riding such that most of the time, they are much worse than they are now, but some incredibly small amount of the time, their huge gamble pays off and they possibly make the podium? Might of course not happen over the course of a thereby shortened career, in which case they'd just always be worse than they currently are.hrotha said:The point I'm making is about riders who would aim for a decent pacing by following wheels and being invisible, typically without trying anything else.