Armstrong discussions

[Hugh Januss]

If the mods moved it, impossible to tell if the post originated in this thread or elsewhere.

It would have been polite to point that out to Scribe before your attack. Or point it out to anyone else. Some folks do not read every post on every thread, and have no idea if a post originated outside of the thread.

Maybe some folks should STFU and wait to post until they have some idea of what is going on around them. Or not, they could just continue sounding less than bright.

 

[Francois the Postman]

Maybe some folks should STFU and wait to post until they have some idea of what is going on around them. Or not, they could just continue sounding less than bright.

Do you want a PM or a public request to tone it down a wee bit Hugh?

 

[Martin318is]

One last time Lance Armstrong as a reference point is going to be brought up in almost any thread involving doping in cycling if you can not handle that then maybe you should be posting or moderating on a Golfing forum.
Just sayin'

oh really? A discussion on the topic (for example) of Rico's health problems should automatically allow comparisons with Armstrong? If you think that is the case then I have an organisation for you to join:

The Flat Earth Society

Referencing something that is off topic is called Off topic discussion, because it is......drum roll..... off topc.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Do you want a PM or a public request to tone it down a wee bit Hugh?

Uhm, just go ahead and give me the private one, no need to get everyone else involved.

oh really? A discussion on the topic (for example) of Rico's health problems should automatically allow comparisons with Armstrong? If you think that is the case then I have an organisation for you to join:

The Flat Earth Society

Referencing something that is off topic is called Off topic discussion, because it is......drum roll..... off topc.

Originally Posted by Hugh Januss
One last time Lance Armstrong as a reference point is going to be brought up in almost any thread involving doping in cycling if you can not handle that then maybe you should be posting or moderating on a Golfing forum.
Just sayin'

Good job, you found one where it might be inappropriate, I guess we should never mention the name again. Which would be fine with me, I could live a happy life if I never heard or read the name again, but I am pretty sure I can survive the continued references and be OK there as well. I'm the lucky one.

 

[Martin318is]

unfortunately the world is not black and white - it is a fuzzy kind of grey (maybe I just need to clean my glasses)

the point is that the odd reference to Armstrong would be fine if it were not that there are groups of posters on both sides of the Armstrong divide who automatically jump onto such posts like psychopathic vultures at any opportunity.

It is well documented that the invocation of his name is used explicitly in many cases to simply start a troll war.

What is NOT well documented is how many of said troll wars are getting complained about by general members and cleaned up by moderators.

Nobody is saying that he cannot be discussed. Just asking people to discuss him in the 3 billion threads that already exist for him and leave the rest of the forum to the people that want to talk about current cyclists, etc. Trolling is already considered unacceptable here (although it is often tricky to spot the fine line between joke and troll. The behaviour mentioned is trolling, therefore it is entirely reasonable to say that trolling with the Armstrong issue is something that will likely get people if not a holiday then certainly a stern warning.

Bear in mind also that most members have seen what happens to people that troll the topic and so a warning may not be seen to be necessary - one shot may be all it takes to get a time out.

 

[D-Queued]

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So, if everyone can relax a bit, and give all of us time and space to address the various (and at times conflicting) wishes that people have, in a more creative way, that would be good. In the end, hopefully, for everyone.

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You get what you give here, on the whole.

Thank you Francois.

And, an apology to Barrus in hindsight. Obviously this debate is a drag on his time from more important stuff.

I was way over-loaded myself this past week up until today.

I had noticed a post disappear (another poster) the other day, but figured I had just lost my mind for a moment.

Dave.

 

[Barrus]

Thank you Barrus:

1. For not deleting my posts (albeit, you moved them w/out notice)

2. For not banning me (most appreciated)

3. For explaining your concerns

Can I ask, however, why you did not resort to common, understood policy? In other words, if you have an issue with what I post, then why not PM me?

Same goes for the other contributors to this thread who are tired of Armstrong. I do read my messages.

Moreover, you began an open debate, based on new and subjective criteria, about what content you like and do not like. New rules? No notice?

No, I am not going to go all Nazi here with the whatchamacallit law, but you are changing the rules and stifling open debate.

Now, if you want to divert the discussion into another thread so we can cover alleged Girona linkages, training routes, and other USPS/Carmichael/Armstrong related linkages. Please do. This is a topic that I am interested in. I am aware of at least one other member, not commented, that is also interested in that discussion as he and I have discussed it before (and he is an ex-UCI chaperone, unlike me who is a nobody).

Concerning the USPS stuff, do it in a previous existing thread or make a new thread, it had nothing to do with the drug find.
Concerning the 2nd, I have not banned anyone for just stating something about Armstrong without any previous warning given to them. It is a threat most notably targeted at those who repeat making posts about Armstrong in threadt that have nothing to do with him. Perhaps I forgot to pm you and could have handled it differently, dut well, stuff gets forgotten

Also perhaps the deleting of the Vrijman post was a bit too much, but that type of posts and the discussion of the Vrijman report in itself has also often ensured a lot of discussion about the epo samples between the usual suspects

This whole dialog appears more motivated to get my posts *edited* from the clinic altogether - this time under a spurious 'weariness' rationale.

Funny, Floyd and Will tried the same thing on DPF.

They went down. I continue to post.

Dave.

I have no idea what this DPF reference means and who you mean with Floyd and Will

One last time Lance Armstrong as a reference point is going to be brought up in almost any thread involving doping in cycling if you can not handle that then maybe you should be posting or moderating on a Golfing forum.
Just sayin'

Really? That really is necessary, even when you know that such a reference will result in the entire thread being brought off-topic and the entire original topic of the discussion can no longer be really discussed and only tired old arguments are rehashed? You want the moderators only to come in and do something about it when it is too late? Look, if we did not have trolls on each side jumping on anything regarding Armstrong and making the same discussion over and over again, yes perhaps if that is the case it could happen. However currently with the regulars we have when we do that, almost any reference to Armstrong will result in dozens upon dozens of posts filled with off-topic talk, personal attacks and old information, that you expect the moderators to deal with and we need to delete, at times, over 50 posts at a time, deal out several infractions and are generally dealing with only a single thread for up to an hour

 

[BullsFan22]

I wish Arsmtrong would just go away. Actually I wish he never appeared, that way cycling would be normal for just second. I hope investigation and (hopefully) the inevitable trial will proceed quickly so we can move on. I don't want to go off topic, but I will say that one liar/doper less is fine by me, even though there is a big number of them waiting in Armstrong's wake.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

And another one. Like dozens of midgets rolling out of a tiny car.

LMAO at the midgets rolling out of a tiny car!

 

[D-Queued]

Concerning the USPS stuff, do it in a previous existing thread or make a new thread, it had nothing to do with the drug find.
Concerning the 2nd, I have not banned anyone for just stating something about Armstrong without any previous warning given to them. It is a threat most notably targeted at those who repeat making posts about Armstrong in threadt that have nothing to do with him. Perhaps I forgot to pm you and could have handled it differently, dut well, stuff gets forgotten

Also perhaps the deleting of the Vrijman post was a bit too much, but that type of posts and the discussion of the Vrijman report in itself has also often ensured a lot of discussion about the epo samples between the usual suspects


I have no idea what this *** reference means and who you mean with *** and ***


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Got it.

Dave.

 

[Anonymous]

Surely as he is now retired any Armstrong discussions should take place in the cafe or general?

 

[gregod]

Although there is a Lance poster you all still don't have to discuss him, his habits and what he could've done

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I'm glad there is this meta thread.

It seems that the prevailing opinion in this forum is anti-you-know-who (i feel dirty writing his name). So why is it when someone starts a new thread (urine trouble) there are 115 posts in roughly 11 hours?

Why would anybody waste any time talking about that guy? i don't get it.

 

[schism]

I'm glad there is this meta thread.

It seems that the prevailing opinion in this forum is anti-you-know-who (i feel dirty writing his name). So why is it when someone starts a new thread (urine trouble) there are 115 posts in roughly 11 hours?

Why would anybody waste any time talking about that guy? i don't get it.

Neither do I and most people seem to say the same and yet here we are discussing you-know-who.

 

[flicker]

Lance is simply the greatest athlete ever. Out of respect for the younger riders out there in the pro peloton and the majority of the forum posters who cannot stomach my prince of princes, I limit my Lance posting to the clinic. It is only fair to the weaker of the species.

 

[WonderLance]

I promise never to mention him again.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Shouldn't there be some sort of extra severe punishment meted out for trolling the About the Forum threads?
I am thinking vivisection wouldn't be too extreme.