Armstrong Lies

[Mellow Velo]

Now, the Shack have dropped internal testing altogether. Leaving Pat McQuaid as our "safe" pair of hands:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-abandons-independent-testing-publication-of-blood-values

Mark my words.
We will see an old man go much faster, this July and the dolts on here, will demand we believe that it's all down to training and mentality.
These will be the same cretins that are first in the queue, to venomously castigate any "foreign speakin'" rider that becomes a doping scapegoat for the "untouchables".

 

[hmronnow]

Today's Cycling News offers a classic example of Lance working the public through the media. I was afraid the mainstream press was going to miss the story about him no longer posting values online because they lead to "silly speculation". Now he's saying that he just wants to protect himself from guys just out of school, or who finished last in their class, with an implication that that applies to Dr. Jakob Morkeberg.

I agree, what kind of journalism is it to just quote a single sided press release. any serious journalist will quote alternative sources and opinions. This more obviously in this case wehre as you mentioned CN previously wrote a good coverage of the story. Their article today doesn't contradict themselves, but ignores what they themselves wrote very recently. Ignorant and not journalism.

But of course CN is not alone in todays trend of single pieces of information/statement being copied across hundres of news sources, and there there is far between original researched journalism.

 

[Moondance]

Now, the Shack have dropped internal testing altogether. Leaving Pat McQuaid as our "safe" pair of hands:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-abandons-independent-testing-publication-of-blood-values

Mark my words.
We will see an old man go much faster, this July and the dolts on here, will demand we believe that it's all down to training and mentality.
These will be the same cretins that are first in the queue, to venomously castigate any "foreign speakin'" rider that becomes a doping scapegoat for the "untouchables".

+1

If Armstrong all of a sudden rebounds and dances up the Tourmalet with Contador and Andy Schleck next year, to me it'll just be one more nail in that coffin of Armstrong's supposed cleanliness.

 

[Ripper]

Classic Armstrong

Now, the Shack have dropped internal testing altogether. Leaving Pat McQuaid as our "safe" pair of hands:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-abandons-independent-testing-publication-of-blood-values

Mark my words.
We will see an old man go much faster, this July and the dolts on here, will demand we believe that it's all down to training and mentality.
These will be the same cretins that are first in the queue, to venomously castigate any "foreign speakin'" rider that becomes a doping scapegoat for the "untouchables".

My 'favourite' part of this whole press release is this quote ...

"So we took them down after that because we had put them up all year long in the vein of complete transparency, and to be attacked like that and accused of something is complete nonsense. It's not worth it. The testing we do through the international agencies and domestic agencies is going to have to be enough for the future."

This is just classic Strongarm. Let's just take a very light analysis of this, and not even take into account what other posters have already addressed above. In our current cycling culture, would anyone of reasonable intellect actually think if he or she was being completely transparent and posted their results, that there would be no critique, no intermittent questions? That, as far as I have ever seen in the world of medicine and science, is how we all become better - critique (or "attacked" as he put it). If you post all your results, it is reasonable to expect some questions (although his values produced more than a few ... don't get me started as that's been addressed before! ). But of course, Strongarm cannot be reasonable and provide answers, he'll just stop.

Kind of like how he 'stopped' talking to the press after the rider strike in the Giro. In some ways, I am surprised the media even wants to report on him anymore - they could just have a link to his twitter site on a daily basis

Thanks for listening to my little rant

 

[Ripper]

+1

If Armstrong all of a sudden rebounds and dances up the Tourmalet with Contador and Andy Schleck next year, to me it'll just be one more nail in that coffin of Armstrong's supposed cleanliness.

You mean there's still space for more nails?

 

[Publicus]

Now, the Shack have dropped internal testing altogether. Leaving Pat McQuaid as our "safe" pair of hands:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-abandons-independent-testing-publication-of-blood-values

Mark my words.
We will see an old man go much faster, this July and the dolts on here, will demand we believe that it's all down to training and mentality.
These will be the same cretins that are first in the queue, to venomously castigate any "foreign speakin'" rider that becomes a doping scapegoat for the "untouchables".

+10000. That's my thought exactly.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Now, the Shack have dropped internal testing altogether. Leaving Pat McQuaid as our "safe" pair of hands:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-abandons-independent-testing-publication-of-blood-values

Mark my words.
We will see an old man go much faster, this July and the dolts on here, will demand we believe that it's all down to training and mentality.
These will be the same cretins that are first in the queue, to venomously castigate any "foreign speakin'" rider that becomes a doping scapegoat for the "untouchables".

So you're saying Armstrong did not dope last year?

 

[Ripper]

So you're saying Armstrong did not dope last year?

Mellow, correct me if I am wrong ...

No, that is not what he is saying

 

[zapata]

So you're saying Armstrong did not dope last year?

He was retired last year, wasn't he? But i guess he might be doping at bit just the same, not letting himself go completely.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

So you're saying Armstrong did not dope last year?

I don't think there's one person who understands anything about doping who doubts that Lance was on AICAR at the very least last year.

As far as blood doping, that's obvious.

Once genetic doping becomes the norm, the biopassport will be an even bigger joke than it already is.

 

[Rex Hunter]

As far as blood doping, that's obvious.

You're entitled to your belief.

Once genetic doping becomes the norm, the biopassport will be an even bigger joke than it already is.

I don't understand genetic doping. Surely the authorities could tell if someone's testosterone levels and red blood cells are suddenly naturally higher than they were previously?

 

[JayZee]

Now, the Shack have dropped internal testing altogether. Leaving Pat McQuaid as our "safe" pair of hands:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-abandons-independent-testing-publication-of-blood-values

Mark my words.
We will see an old man go much faster, this July and the dolts on here, will demand we believe that it's all down to training and mentality.
These will be the same cretins that are first in the queue, to venomously castigate any "foreign speakin'" rider that becomes a doping scapegoat for the "untouchables".

But I thought the internal testing was just code for our doctor's monitor our own values to make sure our doping isn't caught. And of course, we can't trust internal testing because the doctors are being paid by the team. So really dropping internal testing should be seen as a positive, right?

 

[red_flanders]

But I thought the internal testing was just code for our doctor's monitor our own values to make sure our doping isn't caught. And of course, we can't trust internal testing because the doctors are being paid by the team. So really dropping internal testing should be seen as a positive, right?

Are you confusing "internal" with "independent", or am I not reading your post correctly?

I would be sure there will be "internal" testing on RS. What there won't be is "independent" testing or posting of the "internal" results.

Because, you know...Jakob Mørkeberg and Bo Belhage graduated last in their class according to Armstrong.

Why is it that liars are always trying to kill the messenger instead of the message?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Mellow, correct me if I am wrong ...

No, that is not what he is saying

You are correct.
Haven't we been talking about his transparency and those figures?
The only way is up.....as the song goes.
If you can't beat 'em, go totally clandestine and rack up the values.
As Moose says, it's all in the genes.
Who's going to complain? Uncle "in the back pocket" Pat? I don't think so.
His is one bio passport that going to stay buried with this particular Zurich gnome.

Race schedule prediction:

TDU, TOC, something in the warm in Spain. TDF. End of Season. Maybe Missouri to promote 'Cancer'.

Meanwhile, the cycling forums will propogate thousands of threads about the guy's exploits.

 

[Rex Hunter]

But I thought the internal testing was just code for our doctor's monitor our own values to make sure our doping isn't caught. And of course, we can't trust internal testing because the doctors are being paid by the team. So really dropping internal testing should be seen as a positive, right?

Great point. On the other thread user RaceRadio says you are a troll unless you agree with him that Damsgaard is corrupt, so the idea they would ever have believed his testing program is a joke.

There is absolutely nothing - nothing - that would ever satisfy them.

 

[red_flanders]

Great point. On the other thread user RaceRadio says you are a troll unless you agree with him that Damsgaard is corrupt, so the idea they would ever have believed his testing program is a joke.

There is absolutely nothing - nothing - that would ever satisfy them.

I don't understand. Who is dropping internal testing?

 

[BYOP88]

You are correct.
Haven't we been talking about his transparency and those figures?
The only way is up.....as the song goes.
If you can't beat 'em, go totally clandestine and rack up the values.
As Moose says, it's all in the genes.
Who's going to complain? Uncle "in the back pocket" Pat? I don't think so.
His is one bio passport that going to stay buried with this particular Zurich gnome.

Race schedule prediction:

TDU, TOC, something in the warm in Spain. TDF. End of Season. Maybe Missouri to promote 'Cancer'.

Meanwhile, the cycling forums will propogate thousands of threads about the guy's exploits.

Hey that schedule wasn't meant to be made public yet, but you left of the Dauphine. He was going to have a big press conference to tell the world which countries he was targeting to defeat "Cancer" in, in 2010.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Hey that schedule wasn't meant to be made public yet, but you left of the Dauphine. He was going to have a big press conference to tell the world which countries he was targeting to defeat "Cancer" in, in 2010.

Nah.
The Dauphine could now be too close to Cali, certainly too close to Pierre Bordry.
I think Lance will opt for the arduous and equally tough, Tour de Twitter, in the hope he can gain time over the terrain of cyberspace.

 

[Ripper]

Hey that schedule wasn't meant to be made public yet, but you left of the Dauphine. He was going to have a big press conference to tell the world which countries he was targeting to defeat "Cancer" in, in 2010.

You know, if he boycotts the press again, may be they would not come to his press conferences when he wants to share 'important' info. Then it would only be via Twitter, and the rest of us would not have to read some sort of stupid commentary from the pinhead

 

[BYOP88]

You know, if he boycotts the press again, may be they would not come to his press conferences when he wants to share 'important' info. Then it would only be via Twitter, and the rest of us would not have to read some sort of stupid commentary from the pinhead

You see this is why I don't believe a word he says. This time last year it was "I love the press" etc etc. Cause it's not about the bike it's about raising cancer awareness that's my goal etc etc. Then as the year progressed and "difficult" questions were asked, he had a media blackout, which to me seems to prevent people from hearing his message. I mean Joe and Jean Smith aren't going to look at his latest twitter postings but are more likely to read it in the NYT or on TV. At the end of the day I wish the press had the balls to do an Armstrong blackout. Would be nice but sadly isn't going to happen.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You're entitled to your belief.

Of course. Just as you're entitled to ignore the obvious.

 

[Zerak-Tul]

Radioshack is not alone in having stopped working with Damsgaard, same goes for Saxo - Damsgaard has formed his started his own company and will be doing testing for UCI, so he cannot be running independent testing at the same time as this would be a conflict of interests.
Source; danish news TV2 link
Google translation link

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Nah.
The Dauphine could now be too close to Cali, certainly too close to Pierre Bordry.
I think Lance will opt for the arduous and equally tough, Tour de Twitter, in the hope he can gain time over the terrain of cyberspace.

The Twitter Time Trial team of Bruyneel, Ekimov, and Pharmstrong will be an absolute force in cyberspace.

I hear this guy will be the team director.

 

[skidmark]

Today's Cycling News offers a classic example of Lance working the public through the media. I was afraid the mainstream press was going to miss the story about him no longer posting values online because they lead to "silly speculation". Now he's saying that he just wants to protect himself from guys just out of school, or who finished last in their class, with an implication that that applies to Dr. Jakob Morkeberg.

Interesting, isn't it. Total misdirection of the subject without actually addressing the legitimate critique. Compare the possibilities, #1 that Morkeberg finished last in his class and is some kind of quack who is interpreting Armstrong's blood values wrong to try to make a name for himself, or Armstrong is doping like a huge number of professional cyclists. I know which one seems more likely.

 

[fatandfast]

Interesting, isn't it. Total misdirection of the subject without actually addressing the legitimate critique. Compare the possibilities, #1 that Morkeberg finished last in his class and is some kind of quack who is interpreting Armstrong's blood values wrong to try to make a name for himself, or Armstrong is doping like a huge number of professional cyclists. I know which one seems more likely.

both are very likely.