Armstrong Lies

[filipo]

In today's VeloNews they give a slight nod to the Catlin issue.

Flanked by team manager and longtime confidant Johan Bruyneel, Armstrong answered questions for 30 minutes on topics ranging from his relationship with Contador ("That was a personality conflict. That’s not to say that my attitude was good or bad, or his was good or bad, they were just different. I’m sure he’s glad I went left and he went right.”) to his stance on posting independently monitored blood values online (“All it takes is one guy who calls himself a doctor to say they are suspicious. To be attacked like that, it is just not worth it. Testing through the various international agencies is going to have to be enough.”) to his growing acceptance in France (“This year the French saw a guy who was three years older, who tried his best and got third, and was content with that.”)

I'd ask who he thinks he's fooling with that BS, but I already know the answer.

 

[podilato]

Simeoni and Lance are friends...suprised Filipo was not signed by RadioShack...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZzsucfCj1Q

I know, it seems like Simeoni is reading a script with a guy out of sight holding a gun aimed at him. But that is not the case....?

It looked like one of those hostage videos you see on the news. I was looking for the guys with Kalashnikovs and rocket launchers in the background.

 

[pedaling squares]

How about the lie of telling the world in his second book that Ullrich didn't wait for him on Luz Ariden when he clearly did. This even after he made the stupid mistake of crashing. 2 years later when questioned on it he said that Hamilton told him that Ullrich didn't wait and he believed him discounting the video evidence.

+1.

Ullrich did not wait it was as clear as the video.

I don't know what's in the fruit punch in your casa, but you're out to lunch on this one. Here's Jan attacking. Mashing a big gear, and note how he rides even a super-juiced Virenque off his wheel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yGEa39oH80

But this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQDjqAkLUB0. Ullrich sits up straight, spins a small gear, and swings the bike across the road. He falls behind Basso who is sitting up and adjusting his glasses. Some attack. Clear as the video alright.

Classic Philliggett take on the fall, he didn't hit anyone, it was the cleats!

 

[tubularglue]

armstrong lies

so does everyone

as the saying goes,

"my greatest truth is that I lie"

 

[Hugh Januss]

armstrong lies

so does everyone

as the saying goes,

"my greatest truth is that I lie"

Your posts have been a little on the 'poetic' side today, did you just get a new tube of glue?

 

[Beech Mtn]

Maybe I missed something, Did Garmin chase down George because he testified in a court case that Lance's "Coach" had helped him get EPO?

Armstrong chased down Simeoni, and Eki spit on him, for one reason. To try to shut him up. To enforce the Omerta. I am sure we can all agree there is little ethical about that.

I used to really like Eki, and was glad to get to cheer for him in person at Dupont. But not anymore after hearing about things like the incident above and Eki being the DS in the car during the final ITT when Contador's radio conveniently "went out" so AC couldn't get time splits. Now Eki seems only slightly less slimy than Bruyneel.

 

[filipo]

Simeoni and Lance are friends...suprised Filipo was not signed by RadioShack...

I know, right? We got close to a contract, but when I saw Eki I just got all roid raged out and spit right in his face. Whatever, I'm glad I'm retired. The atmosphere is weird with those guys -- so many drooling hangers-on and pseudo-doctors. Lotta hot blondes, though. If you're into the MILF thing.

 

[filipo]

This.

Remember it.

Susan

I love it when so-called journalists start talking about what's off-limits.

But you'll use it when it suits you -- or when it suits the powerful:
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/sep03/sep04news2
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-to-be-father-for-fourth-time

 

[BikeCentric]

I totally agree. I feel now that LA is back that he has stolen my enjoyment of cycling from me. I've been robbed. I had to endure VERSUS embossing him in gold for the entire three weeks of coverage. His face is on most of my cycling magazines. etc etc. I go to these threads because at least I can hang with others that see the truth of him. It gives me some comfort. But I still feel really peeved that he is back, ruining my favorite sport again.

I just got home and got my new CycleSport mag today - guess who's face is on the cover AGAIN?! Yep, you guessed it, king a-hole himself. Thankfully the article about pharmstrong blasts him and calls his comeback a "total failure" LOL.

One of my favorite Pharmstrong lies, from 2001: "I did not stare down Jan Ulrich before attacking him," [on Alpe d'huez] "I was just looking over to see if he was in difficulty or not."

 

[BikeCentric]

+1.

Classic Philliggett take on the fall, he didn't hit anyone, it was the cleats!

I would like to coin a new nickname for old Phil: Fail Ligget.

 

[Grilled]

I can...

I can emphatically say, I'm not on drugs.

1999

 

[pedaling squares]

I love it when so-called journalists start talking about what's off-limits.

But you'll use it when it suits you -- or when it suits the powerful:
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/sep03/sep04news2
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-to-be-father-for-fourth-time

Well that's a little pi$$y of you. Why insult her work? BTW she was acting as a forum moderator, not as a journalist, and part of that role is to talk about what is off limits.

The articles you cite are announcements of a divorce and the birth of a child. They do not contain personal opinion about the subject's worthiness as a husband or a father. A clear difference.

My original point was that we are here to express our personal opinions about all things cycling, and that will always include opinions about a cyclist's personality. Nothing wrong with that so long as we stay within the limits. But calling a guy a bad husband or a bad father based on stories that for the most part originate from the entertainment media? I think that's offside. Creepy too. It drags the quality of content on this forum down several notches. And it's kind of pathetic to sign up under a pseudonym and comment on a guy's family. Especially when it's Armstrong, there are so many examples of his behaviour that deserve critique and which can be sourced appropriately. My two cents. Your opinion may differ.

 

[BikeCentric]

I never understood how chasing down another rider during a race was supposed to be unethical or unsportsmanlike?

When the race leader or any GC contender of a pro stage race attempts to get in a breakaway on a flat stage, that breakaway is going to get shut down by opposing teams because they can't let a GC contender just ride away. And even the weakest pro team has the legs to go to the front of the peloton and bring back any breakaway on a flat stage. Thus GC contenders don't even bother to get in breaks on flat stages of Grand Tours because the break WILL be shut down. Thus the code of the pro peloton is such that flat stages are for breakaways that consist of one-day racers, new pros, old weak pros, domestiques, and/or sprinters.

Therefore, when a GC contending yellow jersey wearer such as Lance Armstrong bridges up to a break on flat stage, everyone knows he is doing that to shut down the break. When he got up to the breakaway, the riders in the break said "Lance WTF?" Lance said, "I'll drop out of the break only if Simeoni does to." Simeoni dropped back to the pack with Lance so as not to screw over his fellow second-tier pros who had made the break in the TDF.

This is not really unethical, it's just considered massive douchebaggery and being an a-hole, something Lance Armstrong is well known for.

This concludes your lesson for today on how bike racing works.

 

[blackcat]

the peloton could have played it back on Armstrong, by leaving him out there. The only problem was the leading USPS rider, if USPS decided to put their 8 on the front. Did the peloton leave all 8 go. Who was the leading USPS second rider that year, and how far off the next place on GC was he.

 

[Murray]

armstrong lies

so does everyone

as the saying goes,

"my greatest truth is that I lie"

To quote a great man...

"Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy."

 

[CentralCaliBike]

Thus GC contenders don't even bother to get in breaks on flat stages of Grand Tours because the break WILL be shut down.
This is not really unethical, it's just considered massive douchebaggery and being an a-hole, something Lance Armstrong is well known for.

This concludes your lesson for today on how bike racing works.

The whole idea of what is acceptable and not about GC guys breaching up to a break sounds a little like Omertà to me.

It seems that I remember a break in this years TdF where Cancellara wanted Evans to drop out of the break. I do not remember the fans complaining about Evans involvement in the break - although I seem to remember some comments about Cancellara's demanding that Evans drop back. I certainly understood why Cancellara was upset but do not have a problem with Evans going even if it was not likely to succeed.

This is a sport - people are supposed to try and win. One of the main complaints I have heard about the sport is the idea that some days are just for touring and others are for racing.

As for the lesson - it was not really necessary since I have been watching the sport for more than a couple of years. I personally do not have problem with someone showing that he can breach to a person in a break that he does not care for to make a statement.

 

[Hugh Januss]

The whole idea of what is acceptable and not about GC guys breaching up to a break sounds a little like Omertà to me.

It seems that I remember a break in this years TdF where Cancellara wanted Evans to drop out of the break. I do not remember the fans complaining about Evans involvement in the break - although I seem to remember some comments about Cancellara's demanding that Evans drop back. I certainly understood why Cancellara was upset but do not have a problem with Evans going even if it was not likely to succeed.

This is a sport - people are supposed to try and win. One of the main complaints I have heard about the sport is the idea that some days are just for touring and others are for racing.

As for the lesson - it was not really necessary since I have been watching the sport for more than a couple of years. I personally do not have problem with someone showing that he can breach to a person in a break that he does not care for to make a statement.

You don't have a problem with someone who uses their incommon workplace to intimidate another for testifying in court?

 

[Race Radio]

The whole idea of what is acceptable and not about GC guys breaching up to a break sounds a little like Omertà to me.

It seems that I remember a break in this years TdF where Cancellara wanted Evans to drop out of the break. I do not remember the fans complaining about Evans involvement in the break - although I seem to remember some comments about Cancellara's demanding that Evans drop back. I certainly understood why Cancellara was upset but do not have a problem with Evans going even if it was not likely to succeed.

This is a sport - people are supposed to try and win. One of the main complaints I have heard about the sport is the idea that some days are just for touring and others are for racing.

As for the lesson - it was not really necessary since I have been watching the sport for more than a couple of years. I personally do not have problem with someone showing that he can breach to a person in a break that he does not care for to make a statement.

I do not get your point. Are you saying that Evans got into the break with Cacellara because Fabian testified against Evans doping doctor? That is was happened with Armstrong and Simeoni.....twice.

Armstrong goal had nothing to do with racing, in fact just the opposite.

 

[CentralCaliBike]

You don't have a problem with someone who uses their incommon workplace to intimidate another for testifying in court?

I guess I do not see it is intimidating for the testimony as much as making a statement that I do not like you and can ride you into the ground whenever I want to. Sports are generally about showing off your athletic ability and it always seems that people are motivated to show off more if they can to the person who they feel has somehow irritated them.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The whole idea of what is acceptable and not about GC guys breaching up to a break sounds a little like Omertà to me.

It seems that I remember a break in this years TdF where Cancellara wanted Evans to drop out of the break. I do not remember the fans complaining about Evans involvement in the break - although I seem to remember some comments about Cancellara's demanding that Evans drop back. I certainly understood why Cancellara was upset but do not have a problem with Evans going even if it was not likely to succeed.

This is a sport - people are supposed to try and win. One of the main complaints I have heard about the sport is the idea that some days are just for touring and others are for racing.

As for the lesson - it was not really necessary since I have been watching the sport for more than a couple of years. I personally do not have problem with someone showing that he can breach to a person in a break that he does not care for to make a statement.

So - if Lance got up to the break to go for the win - why did he drop back with Simeoni when Simeoni agreed to let the break go?

Yes - this is a sport - and they are always racing - even in the Tour, there is more on offer than just a yellow jersey.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I guess I do not see it is intimidating for the testimony as much as making a statement that I do not like you and can ride you into the ground whenever I want to. Sports are generally about showing off your athletic ability and it always seems that people are motivated to show off more if they can to the person who they feel has somehow irritated them.

No, the statement was, 'none of us like you because you have broken the omerta and testified against a doping Dr., mine infact, and you are a threat to all of us dopers.'

 

[BikeCentric]

I guess I do not see it is intimidating for the testimony as much as making a statement that I do not like you and can ride you into the ground whenever I want to. Sports are generally about showing off your athletic ability and it always seems that people are motivated to show off more if they can to the person who they feel has somehow irritated them.

So you won't have a problem if I come to the Valley, join your club ride and repeatedly tool you while talking smack to you and making you look like a slow fat slob in front of your club rider friends? Cool.

 

[pedaling squares]

I guess I do not see it is intimidating for the testimony as much as making a statement that I do not like you and can ride you into the ground whenever I want to. Sports are generally about showing off your athletic ability and it always seems that people are motivated to show off more if they can to the person who they feel has somehow irritated them.

Respectfully disagree. This was not showing off. Lance has had many disagreements with other riders in years past. How many breakaways have you seen him join during his 8 tours as a GC contender? One. Against the man who was to testify against Lance's doping doctor. No, this was not showing off athletic prowess - this was a very public message that dissension in the ranks would not be tolerated.

 

[CentralCaliBike]

So - if Lance got up to the break to go for the win - why did he drop back with Simeoni when Simeoni agreed to let the break go?

Yes - this is a sport - and they are always racing - even in the Tour, there is more on offer than just a yellow jersey.

There is, and I believe it was Cavendish's comments that caused Garmin to pull hard keeping Hincapie out of yellow.

Athletes have attitudes and often consider competition to be a form of personal combat. I certainly believe that Armstrong was making a point to Simeoni that he did not like him. That may have started with the testimony, or it could have started at a prior time, but it is still racing. When they both dropped back, that was Omertà (on the part of both as well as the other guys in the break).

A great personality does not win in sports - you have to look for something else when it coming to winning. Look at Tiger Woods, seems he is not a very loyal personality type - that does not mean he is a bad golfer.

 

[BikeCentric]

Respectfully disagree. This was not showing off. Lance has had many disagreements with other riders in years past. How many breakaways have you seen him join during his 8 tours as a GC contender? One. Against the man who was to testify against Lance's doping doctor. No, this was not showing off athletic prowess - this was a very public message that dissension in the ranks would not be tolerated.

Exactly. If you want to "show off" your athletic ability in road racing you do it on the climbs and/or time trials. You'd don't do it by tooling on career domestiques on flat stages. That's how the sport works.