Australian Study reveals Doping doesnt work

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Sep 29, 2012
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Catwhoorg said:
Dear Wiggo said:
Catwhoorg do you mind editing a copy of the graph to remove all 9.98+ times ? Would be interested to see what happens - if you can keep the years along the bottom but remove the times at or above?



I think this constraint causes a distinct loss of value to the analysis, which maybe why they looked at it that way to get to a preordained conclusion.

For a starter, you lose two olympic finals entirely. (1980 and 1984).
Yep. I went through wiki and grabbed all the values, think I mentioned somewhere upthread that you lose podiums and half podiums for a few Olys.

As an analysis tool, I maintain it's duplicitous in nature, unless someone wants to elucidate a reason for doing it like this - the predetermined outcome seems pretty obvious.

I looked for a link between the uni and WADA and Aaron, but not for too long. Would be interesting to find some sort of link somewhere as to why someone would pump out a few of these spurious studies. Very Coylesque.
 
Mar 18, 2009
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ChewbaccaDefense said:
Sh!t, Coggan has been telling us this for years.
Making things up reflects poorly on you.

Take, for example, manipulation of red cell mass via blood doping (or EPO): I have not only recognized that this enhances performance, I have pointed to the earliest human studies (by Spriet, Gledhill, et al.) clearly demonstrating this to be true, and have specified the magnitude of increase in VO2max to be expected.
 
Mar 18, 2009
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TheGame said:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150504082145.htm

Doping is damaging the image of sport without benefiting athletes' results, according to University of Adelaide research

"In many sports, there are perceptions that an athlete needs to dope in order to remain competitive and I hope these findings will confront those ill-informed views, and help stamp out doping in sport,"
You can close the clinic now..
Wait...from Australia?!? I thought that all of the sports science done Down Under was cutting-edge/world-class...
 
Mar 13, 2009
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mrhender said:
Must be machine calibration error..
no, the technical term the Clinic12 use, is Machine Calibration Error. It can be shortened to MCE acronym

#Poe'slaw. not to be conflated with Edgar, as in, Edgar Allan Poe
 
That 100m sub 9.98 list drops down to 74 indiviuals

13 of whom on zero research I can recall bans or positive tests for:
Yohan Blake
Ato Boldon
Dwain Chambers
Linford Christie
Shawn Crawford
Jon Drummond
Davidson Ezinwa
Justin Gatlin
Tyson Gay
Carl Lewis
Dennis Mitchell
Asafa Powell
Raymond Stewart

That leaves the following 61 for discussion:*
Harry Adams
Olapade Adeniken
Deji Aliu
Nickel Ashmeade
Derrick Atkins
Daniel Bailey
Donovan Bailey
Ryan Bailey
Kemar Bailey Cole
Keston Bledman
Usain Bolt
Trayvon Bromell
Kemarley Brown
Marc Burns
Leroy Burrell
John Capel
Nesta Carter
Andre Cason
Kim Collins
James Dasaolu
Walter Dix
Uchenna Emedolu
Mario Forsythe
Michael Frater
Frank Fredericks
Maurice Greene
Tim Harden
Vincent Henderson
Jim Hines
Kemar Hyman
Joshua Johnson
Patrick Johnson
Trell Kimmons
Mel Lattany
Christophe Lemaitre
Dentarius Locke
Ngonidzashe Makusha
Michael Marsh
Rodney Martin
Churandy Martina
Tim Montgomery
Steve Mullings
Francis Obikwelu
Seun Ogunkoya
Femi Ogunode
Adekotunbo Olusoji
Travis Padgett
Darvis Patton
Mike Rodgers
Rakieem Salaam
Leonard Scott
Calvin Smith
Wallace Spearmon
Kareem Streete-Thompson
Bruny Surin
Obadele Thompson
Richard Thompson
Chijindu Ujah
Jimmy Vicaut
Bernard Williams
Ivory Williams


Quite where Ben Johnson is I don't know, did he ever have a sub 9.98 that wasn't stripped due to doping ?


*some I recognize as being linked to BALCO etc, but the standard in the study was caught or admitted
 
Sep 29, 2012
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acoggan said:
Wait...from Australia?!? I thought that all of the sports science done Down Under was cutting-edge/world-class...
Given you think Ed Coyle is a legend, this thought that "all of the sports science done Down Under was cutting-edge/world-class" makes a lot of sense.

A shame, really.
 
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Catwhoorg said:
That 100m sub 9.98 list drops down to 74 indiviuals

13 of whom on zero research I can recall bans or positive tests for:
Yohan Blake
Ato Boldon
Dwain Chambers
Linford Christie
Shawn Crawford
Jon Drummond
Davidson Ezinwa
Justin Gatlin
Tyson Gay
Carl Lewis
Dennis Mitchell
Asafa Powell
Raymond Stewart

That leaves the following 61 for discussion:*
Harry Adams
Olapade Adeniken
Deji Aliu
Nickel Ashmeade
Derrick Atkins
Daniel Bailey
Donovan Bailey
Ryan Bailey
Kemar Bailey Cole
Keston Bledman
Usain Bolt
Trayvon Bromell
Kemarley Brown
Marc Burns
Leroy Burrell
John Capel
Nesta Carter
Andre Cason
Kim Collins
James Dasaolu
Walter Dix
Uchenna Emedolu
Mario Forsythe
Michael Frater
Frank Fredericks
Maurice Greene
Tim Harden
Vincent Henderson
Jim Hines
Kemar Hyman
Joshua Johnson
Patrick Johnson
Trell Kimmons
Mel Lattany
Christophe Lemaitre
Dentarius Locke
Ngonidzashe Makusha
Michael Marsh
Rodney Martin
Churandy Martina
Tim Montgomery
Steve Mullings
Francis Obikwelu
Seun Ogunkoya
Femi Ogunode
Adekotunbo Olusoji
Travis Padgett
Darvis Patton
Mike Rodgers
Rakieem Salaam
Leonard Scott
Calvin Smith
Wallace Spearmon
Kareem Streete-Thompson
Bruny Surin
Obadele Thompson
Richard Thompson
Chijindu Ujah
Jimmy Vicaut
Bernard Williams
Ivory Williams


Quite where Ben Johnson is I don't know, did he ever have a sub 9.98 that wasn't stripped due to doping ?


*some I recognize as being linked to BALCO etc, but the standard in the study was caught or admitted
Wallace Spearmon tested positive for methylprednisolone, got a 3-month ban for it
 
Dear Wiggo said:
acoggan said:
Wait...from Australia?!? I thought that all of the sports science done Down Under was cutting-edge/world-class...
Given you think Ed Coyle is a legend, this thought that "all of the sports science done Down Under was cutting-edge/world-class" makes a lot of sense.

A shame, really.
Perhap acoggan needed to use the pink font to make the implied sarcasm obvious.
 
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Catwhoorg said:
That 100m sub 9.98 list drops down to 74 indiviuals

13 of whom on zero research I can recall bans or positive tests for:
Yohan Blake
Ato Boldon
Dwain Chambers
Linford Christie
Shawn Crawford
Jon Drummond
Davidson Ezinwa
Justin Gatlin
Tyson Gay
Carl Lewis
Dennis Mitchell
Asafa Powell
Raymond Stewart

...

Quite where Ben Johnson is I don't know, did he ever have a sub 9.98 that wasn't stripped due to doping ?


*some I recognize as being linked to BALCO etc, but the standard in the study was caught or admitted

Johnson admitted to doping between 1981 and 1988, effectively disqualifying all of his sub 10 second times. His WR of 9.83 set 1987 in Rome was stripped after his confession.

From the longer list, it was very surprising to see Donavan and Bruni down around 53rd place all time. Truly underscores the recent distortions.

Were they given pink dots with purple spots on the chart?

Dave.
 
May 19, 2010
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Catwhoorg said:
That 100m sub 9.98 list drops down to 74 indiviuals

13 of whom on zero research I can recall bans or positive tests for:
Yohan Blake
Ato Boldon
Dwain Chambers
Linford Christie
Shawn Crawford
Jon Drummond
Davidson Ezinwa
Justin Gatlin
Tyson Gay
Carl Lewis
Dennis Mitchell
Asafa Powell
Raymond Stewart

That leaves the following 61 for discussion:*
Harry Adams
Olapade Adeniken
Deji Aliu
Nickel Ashmeade
Derrick Atkins
Daniel Bailey
Donovan Bailey
Ryan Bailey
Kemar Bailey Cole
Keston Bledman
Usain Bolt
Trayvon Bromell
Kemarley Brown
Marc Burns
Leroy Burrell
John Capel
Nesta Carter
Andre Cason
Kim Collins
James Dasaolu
Walter Dix
Uchenna Emedolu
Mario Forsythe
Michael Frater
Frank Fredericks
Maurice Greene
Tim Harden
Vincent Henderson
Jim Hines
Kemar Hyman
Joshua Johnson
Patrick Johnson
Trell Kimmons
Mel Lattany
Christophe Lemaitre
Dentarius Locke
Ngonidzashe Makusha
Michael Marsh
Rodney Martin
Churandy Martina
Tim Montgomery
Steve Mullings
Francis Obikwelu
Seun Ogunkoya
Femi Ogunode
Adekotunbo Olusoji
Travis Padgett
Darvis Patton
Mike Rodgers
Rakieem Salaam
Leonard Scott
Calvin Smith
Wallace Spearmon
Kareem Streete-Thompson
Bruny Surin
Obadele Thompson
Richard Thompson
Chijindu Ujah
Jimmy Vicaut
Bernard Williams
Ivory Williams


Quite where Ben Johnson is I don't know, did he ever have a sub 9.98 that wasn't stripped due to doping ?


*some I recognize as being linked to BALCO etc, but the standard in the study was caught or admitted
The non-legal times are here: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m100mno.htm#8

.. so from reading the non-legal times list these can be weeded out:
Tim Montgomery admitted
Steve Mullings is banned for life (2 ADRVs)
Mike Rodgers, 9-month ban for methylhexaneamine positive in 2011
 
Mar 18, 2009
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Dear Wiggo said:
acoggan said:
Wait...from Australia?!? I thought that all of the sports science done Down Under was cutting-edge/world-class...
Given you think Ed Coyle is a legend
You lie like a Chewbacca: I've never called Ed a "legend", or even really anything close to that.
 
Sep 29, 2012
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acoggan said:
Dear Wiggo said:
acoggan said:
Wait...from Australia?!? I thought that all of the sports science done Down Under was cutting-edge/world-class...
Given you think Ed Coyle is a legend
I've never called Ed a "legend", or even really anything close to that.
Never said you did pal. Do try to keep up.
 
Sep 30, 2010
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It's an awesome paper, but I thought most trolls inhabited social media on the interweb. This might be the beginning of a new phase. Expect the next paper from this guy to be something along the lines of polling samples of people on whether the horizon looks flat or curved to them and then making an assessment as to whether planet earth might actually be flat afterall.
 

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