Best GT of 2015

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List the Grand Tours from best to worst.

  • Vino

    Votes: 4 2.6%
  • Tour>Giro>Vuelta

    Votes: 8 5.2%
  • Tour>Vuelta>Giro (ban me option)

    Votes: 14 9.0%
  • Vuelta>Giro>Tour

    Votes: 32 20.6%
  • Vuelta>Tour.Giro

    Votes: 9 5.8%
  • Giro>Vuelta>Tour

    Votes: 67 43.2%
  • Giro>Tour>Vuelta

    Votes: 21 13.5%

  • Total voters
    155
  • Poll closed .
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SafeBet said:
Valv.Piti said:
I agree, I think the last 4 mountain stages in the Tour were races quite hard over Allos and x3 Croix de Fer. I dont think I ever saw +10 men in the leading group on either of those stages. But the consensus is it was a shitty race which I think is wrong. Only stages that disappointed me were Plateau de Beille and that Quintana didnt attack earlier at La Touissuire, nothing really else.
I don't really understand how anyone would take the Vuelta mountain stages over the Tour mountain stages. Even the Froome show on PSM was better than anything happened in the Vuelta until stage 20.

^^
I completely agree. I actually thought the PSM stage was fine, as did I of Ax-3. As a matter of fact, the more time differences on mountain stages, the better. Biggest indicator of how hard it is ridden.

That said, the Giro overall was great. Enjoyed it throughout. Aprica was epic. The ITT a show by Contador I wont forget. Landa... Aru winning the last 2 stages. It was great!
 
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PSM was actually one of the best stages of the year if not the best. The best climber utterly dominating the world's other best climbers on the world's biggest stage was breathtaking.

The first MTF of the Tour is typically when many of the questions and disagreements of the months leading up to the Tour are resolved, which makes it one of the most intriguing stage to watch almost every year. Prior to this stage, there is intense speculation, afterwards, we have a good idea where each of the big riders stands.

The problem with the Tour this year was that we pretty much knew that the race was over after PSM.
 
Well, what excitement was there in Quintana attacking when it was way too *** late?

JESUS HE'S GONNA FINISH WITHIN 2 MINUTES OMG OMG OMG OMG

The GC fight was over after PSM and Quintana didn't even bother to put in a real attack
 
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SeriousSam said:
PSM was actually one of the best stages of the year if not the best. The best climber utterly dominating the world's other best climbers on the world's biggest stage was breathtaking. The first MTF of the Tour is typically when many of the questions and disagreements of the months leading up to the Tour are resolved. Prior to it, there is intense speculation, afterwards, we know where each of the big riders stands.

The problem with the Tour was that we pretty much knew that the race was over after PSM.

Exactly, that was also how I felt. That showdown was the most anticipated that I have ever seen, since 1) the big 4 was hyped all year, 2) it was the first mountain stage in the race - we didnt have something alá Abetone or Alpujarra to somehow know where people stand and 3) it's the freaking Tour de France. Everybody is watching, everyone is excited, its the biggest race and it gets hyped more than anything else.

And there I think key is: It gets hyped incredible much and almost always falter to reach those expectations, compared to Vuelta and Giro. I would have absolutely loved to see if stage 14,15 and 16 were raced in the Tour and not the Vuelta. The rage on this forum would be x5 of what it was and it would have been described as the worst ever GT by non Dutch, regardless of what proceeded it.

I still rate the Tour over the Giro and Vuelta by a long shot as a race. Everything leading up to the Tour doesnt fail to amuse me year by year and I can live with some overall poor stages here and there, but the mountain stages in the Tour (apart from Beille) simply just were way better than what the Vuelta delivered apart from 11 and 20 and you could pretty much scrap the rest of the mountains and you would end with the same result.
 
So the Tour is the best, just cause it's the Tour?

Giro sucked cause it's no Tour?

I know a lot of people who don't care for cycling because every time they see it on tv, it's boring. That's most of the TdF for you
 
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Red Rick said:
So the Tour is the best, just cause it's the Tour?

Giro sucked cause it's no Tour?

I know a lot of people who don't care for cycling because every time they see it on tv, it's boring. That's most of the TdF for you

You obviously didnt read what I just wrote or you just didnt intend to, that more probable. I have read several of your posts and you are the kinda guy that just launches at the Tour at every given opportunity, so I dont see much point here... Should I feel ashamed for not feeling the same way as you do?

I wrote the Giro was the best GT this year, but overall, I still rate the Tour higher since.. its the Tour and everything which follows. I use 3 weeks on that bike race, pretty much doing nothing else. And I like it. Nowhere did I write the Giro sucks - its a great race, especially this year.

Edit: I guess what rubs me the wrong way about 'hardcore cycling fans' is that the consensus is that the Giro is the best race by far, the Tour is boring and the Vuelta is crap usually as well, mainly due to the route. And that is somewhat true this year I guess (I still enjoyed the Tour), but other years its different. See 2012.
 
That is so weird, so the Giro can never ever ever be rated higher than the Tour, because the Tour is the Tour and the Giro is not the Tour, for the Giro to be rated higher it must be the Tour but it cannot be the Tour so the Tour will always be rated higher because it is the Tour. Right?
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Edit: I guess what rubs me the wrong way about 'hardcore cycling fans' is that the consensus is that the Giro is the best race by far, the Tour is boring and the Vuelta is crap usually as well, mainly due to the route. And that is somewhat true this year I guess (I still enjoyed the Tour), but other years its different. See 2012.
The 2012 Giro holds a special place in the hearts of those "hardcore cycling fans" as one of the dullest, most disappointing races in living memory.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Edit: I guess what rubs me the wrong way about 'hardcore cycling fans' is that the consensus is that the Giro is the best race by far, the Tour is boring and the Vuelta is crap usually as well, mainly due to the route. And that is somewhat true this year I guess (I still enjoyed the Tour), but other years its different. See 2012.
My memory may be failing me but I seem to recall that the 2012 Tour was just as bad as the 2012 Giro.

TDF has been boring since 2011.
 
Tour 2012 was way worse than the Giro 2012. Tour 2012 is perhaps the worst GT since the ones dominated by "You know who"..

And one of the few GT's with the wrong winner. Froome deserved that win, but it was Brad who took it.
 
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In the Tour there was probably too much GC quality and aside from Sky PSM (and maybe Nibali's attack) the GC racing seemed all about fear. Minimising loss.

Contrast to the main source of GT excitement this year has been something or other to do with Aru. He is not a dominating force, and his vulnerabilities lead to some good contests, even with his teammates.

Less quality, but more entertaining.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
That is so weird, so the Giro can never ever ever be rated higher than the Tour, because the Tour is the Tour and the Giro is not the Tour, for the Giro to be rated higher it must be the Tour but it cannot be the Tour so the Tour will always be rated higher because it is the Tour. Right?

I guess my point is, Tour de France holds a special place for me and will always be the race im looking forward to the most due to the factors i pointed out earlier such as anticipation, excitement etc. And you can watch the whole thingy in the summer time without doing anything else. Always is and always will be the 1#.

But while I feel that way about the Tour, that doesnt mean that the Giro or the Vuelta cant be better or that I can enjoy THE RACING more which I certainly did this year in the Giro. It was superb and was a few notches better than the Tour for sure. The Vuelta, on the other hand, was super bad for me as a viewing experience and I was only really enjoyed a few stages.
 
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Velolover2 said:
Tour 2012 was way worse than the Giro 2012. Tour 2012 is perhaps the worst GT since the ones dominated by "You know who"..

And one of the few GT's with the wrong winner. Froome deserved that win, but it was Brad who took it.
In 2012, tour was better because of the lulz.

It would have been more boring if after they took the jersey Sky just tried to defend the 1 minute lead or whatever. As we see sometimes.

But it was more entertaining because even with a lead they were still destroying everyone. Dropped EVERYONE on the final mountain stage. Destroyed EVERYONE in the tt even though they could have walked the route and still kept their 1-2.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
That is so weird, so the Giro can never ever ever be rated higher than the Tour, because the Tour is the Tour and the Giro is not the Tour, for the Giro to be rated higher it must be the Tour but it cannot be the Tour so the Tour will always be rated higher because it is the Tour. Right?
I thought that in this forum it was the other way around. The Tour can never be better than the Giro. Oh well.
 
In terms of the racing, ignoring the GC battle, the Giro was the most interesting. There were lots of very strong breaks (Hesjedal was very impressive after losing too much time early on). The interaction between Landa and Aru was fascinating and there was a great mix of stages (Italy's geography almost automatically leads to a decent parcours. The cinqueterre stage was one of the most beautiful I have seen (both racing and scenery).

The GC battle in the Vuelta was the most intriguing. The penultimate stage of course was the highpoint. The HTFs were good (taking into account that I'm not a fan of _________/ profiles). We also got to see what Zubeldia looks like :D .

The first week of the Tour was good, especially the echelons stage. Although the GC was quite close in the end, there was no real battle for the majority of the race. I think Movistar (Quintana, in particular) missed the moment when Froome was isolated on the penultimate Alps stage. Until the second Alps stage, Froome had been the strongest and had ample support.

All in all I'd say Giro > Vuelta > Tour, but it is pretty close and it was a good year.
 
Performance quality:
1. Tour
2. Giro
3. Vuelta

Suspense:
1. Vuelta
2. Giro
3. Tour

This is what you will often see: if no one really stands out the race becomes more exciting to watch and stays interesting until the final stages.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Red Rick said:
So the Tour is the best, just cause it's the Tour?

Giro sucked cause it's no Tour?

I know a lot of people who don't care for cycling because every time they see it on tv, it's boring. That's most of the TdF for you


Edit: I guess what rubs me the wrong way about 'hardcore cycling fans' is that the consensus is that the Giro is the best race by far, the Tour is boring and the Vuelta is crap usually as well, mainly due to the route.

I feel you here. It's a narrative I rarely agree with. I do agree with people who say that the Tour often has inferior racing to the other two (I voted it last in this poll) but for me the Tour has a lot going for it.

I always prefer the sprints in the Tour. Always. Sprints in the Giro and Vuelta? Ugh.
This is kinda related, but the boring Tour stages are just more entertaining than the boring stages in the other two.

Every year, no matter who's racing I'm still usually the most excited to watch the Tour going in. I love the hype, buildup, terrific field, and the international feel of it. The Giro and Vuelta can be a bit too Italian and Spanish at times, though I get how that would be a draw for some. Forum-wise, the July fans actually spice things up and keep things from being too stale around here. And there are always a couple who stay and wind up being good posters.

The Vuelta holds a special place in my heart but in general it definitely lacks something in the anticipation, buildup, and hype departments. The Giro naturally has that by coming at a time when we haven't seen a GT in 7 months but the Vuelta winds up being Worlds buildup for some and a makeup chance for others and comes really late in the calendar when many riders are tired (Lombardia suffers from some of this as well).
 
Most of us seem to think that this is a good GT year, such an uncharasteristic generosity coming from this forum :D, or maybe the previous three years have been so disappointing (I think 2011 is mostly seen as an OK year, that's when I started reading this forum). Between 2012 and 2014, Giro only has the 2013 edition that pleased a lot of people, the Tour never did at all, while the Vuelta somehow always scored in its own wtf way.
 
I haven't voted on this. I'm probably too biased. My favourite would be the Giro; due to Contador winning it. I think that all of the GT's had a lot going for them this season, though I'd still like to see more ITT kms.

Some observations. Some posters seem annoyed that too much happened on PSM, yet also annoyed that not enough happened on stages 14-16 in La Vuelta.

??

Although an Alberto fan, I thought that PSM was a pretty great stage. I mean it was super dramatic right? That moment when the defending champion was going off the back, so early on the climb, and clearly cooked, that was the first of a number of OMG moments.

Contador being dropped and then seeing the gap increase so consistently dramatically was also huge. And then to have Porte return to finish ahead of Quintana was dramatic as well as hilarious.

In most cases a drama filled stage will kill the suspence, but for continued suspence you have to do away with a lot of the drama (there are exceptions such as the Alps of '06, but generally big time gaps blow the race apart, not bring it back together). So what do you want? And it seems that either a) the riders were too weak (PSM) or b) the riders didn't attack enough (Vuelta).

Personally I'd much rather the Pyrenees of '15 then those of '11, for example.

I think that this years Tour possibly had more OMG moments than the Giro. Come on, who wasn't jumping out of their seat when Contador attacked over 100kms out and on the first mountain of the day on the third last stage? And was joined by the supposedly highly defensive Valverde, the cause of this all being the effect of dropping Thomas, who at that point was a threat to podium in Paris. How is that not good, attacking, exciting racing?

When Nibali attacked about 60kms from the finish and was clearly strong, wasn't that somewhat exciting? We had the hilarity too of him doing so when Froome had a puncture; a moment that didn't quite match the sticky bottle or wheelgate ones, but was nevertheless still amusing.

I loved the early stage of the Giro where Kreuziger got the huge lead in the breakaway, and normally I'd be annoyed that it was all totally neutralised, but the racing to bring that all back was so incredible that I couldn't be. Yep, Astana went full gas that day.

The ITT was great, as was the Mortirolo stage, and the one on stage 18 where Landa had to fight back when the situations were reversed. And Finestre. Now that was drama. I think that for one brief moment Contador looked like more of a chance to lose, than Froome ever did on Alp 'duez.

The Vuelta gave us the suspence, as it usually does. And - also - for a moment, it looked like Tom would get back on during that descent.

And the way that he held on during the earlier high mountains. That was great right, or would we have preferred that he cracked and lost five minutes, as he was 'meant' to? I'm just not sure if people know what they want around here. A remake of the Mel Gibson movie; "What do cycling fans want?"

?

Oh, and stage 16. That was something. Though I'm probably biased. I had a little wager. On a certain Frank Schleck.

But speaking of betting; don't mention the ninja. Just don't ;)
 
Much is anticipated at the TDF. Its the biggest race. The best competitors. The best publicity. The best support. but unfortunately all of it comes to nothing if the GC battle is won early. In the first mountain stage, it was proven that Froome was the best and the best of the rest Quintana was left with an insurmountable deficit (unlike Giro 2014). The other big 2 were simply out of it altogether one fatigued and the other out of form. It simply killed of interest in GC and the TDF effectively became a 10 day race. The Giro however Aru was in contention till the TT and then you had epic Motirolo. In Vuelta the GC was decided in the penultimate stage. Unless you have at least 2 competing guys in GC, it becomes boring
 
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gregrowlerson said:
I haven't voted on this. I'm probably too biased. My favourite would be the Giro; due to Contador winning it. I think that all of the GT's had a lot going for them this season, though I'd still like to see more ITT kms.

Some observations. Some posters seem annoyed that too much happened on PSM, yet also annoyed that not enough happened on stages 14-16 in La Vuelta.

??

Although an Alberto fan, I thought that PSM was a pretty great stage. I mean it was super dramatic right? That moment when the defending champion was going off the back, so early on the climb, and clearly cooked, that was the first of a number of OMG moments.

Contador being dropped and then seeing the gap increase so consistently dramatically was also huge. And then to have Porte return to finish ahead of Quintana was dramatic as well as hilarious.

In most cases a drama filled stage will kill the suspence, but for continued suspence you have to do away with a lot of the drama (there are exceptions such as the Alps of '06, but generally big time gaps blow the race apart, not bring it back together). So what do you want? And it seems that either a) the riders were too weak (PSM) or b) the riders didn't attack enough (Vuelta).

Personally I'd much rather the Pyrenees of '15 then those of '11, for example.

I think that this years Tour possibly had more OMG moments than the Giro. Come on, who wasn't jumping out of their seat when Contador attacked over 100kms out and on the first mountain of the day on the third last stage? And was joined by the supposedly highly defensive Valverde, the cause of this all being the effect of dropping Thomas, who at that point was a threat to podium in Paris. How is that not good, attacking, exciting racing?

When Nibali attacked about 60kms from the finish and was clearly strong, wasn't that somewhat exciting? We had the hilarity too of him doing so when Froome had a puncture; a moment that didn't quite match the sticky bottle or wheelgate ones, but was nevertheless still amusing.

I loved the early stage of the Giro where Kreuziger got the huge lead in the breakaway, and normally I'd be annoyed that it was all totally neutralised, but the racing to bring that all back was so incredible that I couldn't be. Yep, Astana went full gas that day.

The ITT was great, as was the Mortirolo stage, and the one on stage 18 where Landa had to fight back when the situations were reversed. And Finestre. Now that was drama. I think that for one brief moment Contador looked like more of a chance to lose, than Froome ever did on Alp 'duez.

The Vuelta gave us the suspence, as it usually does. And - also - for a moment, it looked like Tom would get back on during that descent.

And the way that he held on during the earlier high mountains. That was great right, or would we have preferred that he cracked and lost five minutes, as he was 'meant' to? I'm just not sure if people know what they want around here. A remake of the Mel Gibson movie; "What do cycling fans want?"

?

Oh, and stage 16. That was something. Though I'm probably biased. I had a little wager. On a certain Frank Schleck.

But speaking of betting; don't mention the ninja. Just don't ;)


Very good points, I agred with everything apart from stage 16 which I felt was a big letdown this Vuelta. Along with Plateau de Beille, those were bad stages that I had anticipated much more of.
 
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Pantani_lives said:
Performance quality:
1. Tour
2. Giro
3. Vuelta

Suspense:
1. Vuelta
2. Giro
3. Tour

This is what you will often see: if no one really stands out the race becomes more exciting to watch and stays interesting until the final stages.
+1.
There, couldn't have put it better.