Best riders without a win?

[Libertine Seguros]

What does that have to do with the thread topic?

In Le Monde de Wonderlance, Evans hasn't got any wins because only doped riders win except for Lance. I'd take it as a compliment to your hero.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Well, Cadel Evens gets mentioned a lot. So he must be a good rider. But you never find him in the results, i.e. he never wins.

Heck, I don't know, ask ak-zaaf. Maybe he really doesn't know how to spell His Royal Evansness' name.

I got it

 

[ScottyMuser]

Are you thinking of Igor Anton on the Burgos to Pena Cabarga stage last year?

Sorry, yes of course, had a forgetful moment, was thinking also of Anton's fall earlier when I was thinking of the best teams over the 3GTs and why I like climbing teams. Of course Anton's crash was pretty bad, but not as heartbreaking as Ametxa's I think

 

[Moondance]

Probably van den Broeck.... He's been prett consistent the last three years or so, and obviously his 5th (perhaps 4th) in the Tour is a pretty great achievement. Although I doubt he'll finish this season win less though.

 

[The Hitch]

I think i have a winner.

Bernhard Kohl. It seems all he ever won was Nats. And that dont count.

 

[The Hitch]

Also it seems Tadej Valjavec has never tasted victory outside Nats.

Another back door to this, as in all such games, is doping. Any cyclists had all their results taken away due to a failed test?

Sella. Were his 3 stages taken away. if so, all he has is some minor race in 07. I dont think they were though.

Who else is there?


ps. Love the Evans banter. Especially the way youngest had to gently explain to ACF, the reasoning behind the joke. Probably would have worked better though with "Tom Booomen", "Rasmoussenn" or "Greg Lemon".

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Mikel Astarloza's two wins are a pre-ProTour Tour Down Under (which he didn't win any stages or finish higher than 5th in any stage en route to), and a Team Time Trial in the Vuelta a Castilla y León. He'd be close to it too. He himself treated his now-rescinded Tour stage win as his first career victory, and if he doesn't rate the 2003 Tour Down Under highly enough to count it neither do I.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sella. Were his 3 stages taken away. if so, all he has is some minor race in 07. I dont think they were though.

No, Sella still has his 3 stages from the '08 Giro, as he didn't test positive in the race even though he confessed to doping during it.

Either way, he won a stage of the 2004 Giro, so he'd be out of the reckoning.

 

[issoisso]

Zubeldia has never won a road stage.
Neither has Bruseghin.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Zubeldia has never won a road stage.
Neither has Bruseghin.

2008 Giro stage 10 TT is probably enough to strike Marzio from the discussion though.

 

[issoisso]

2008 Giro stage 10 TT is probably enough to strike Marzio from the discussion though.

Like I said: Road stage.
They've both won TTs and Zubeldia two GCs also.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I don't think excluding national championships makes much sense. I suspect that 99% of riders would rather win their national championships than a single stage of a 2.1 race. And the other 1% are from somewhere like Monaco or Malta.

 

[simo1733]

Like I said: Road stage.
They've both won TTs and Zubeldia two GCs also.

there must be plenty of TT specialists who never won a road stg.I think Chris Boardman only ever won one.A bit harsh if you don't count TTs as wins

 

[Mambo95]

there must be plenty of TT specialists who never won a road stg.I think Chris Boardman only ever won one.A bit harsh if you don't count TTs as wins

I think Wiggins and Porte both come into play then. TTs count.

 

[jaylew]

there must be plenty of TT specialists who never won a road stg.I think Chris Boardman only ever won one.A bit harsh if you don't count TTs as wins

Yeah, we have to count those, otherwise we'd be adding a bunch of people.

I don't think excluding national championships makes much sense. I suspect that 99% of riders would rather win their national championships than a single stage of a 2.1 race. And the other 1% are from somewhere like Monaco or Malta.

Tough one. This is only going to come into play with riders from smaller nations. What say you guys? Aren't the fields terribly small in some of those races? So far the only one this affects is Valjavec (good call Hitch).

Mikel Astarloza's two wins are a pre-ProTour Tour Down Under (which he didn't win any stages or finish higher than 5th in any stage en route to), and a Team Time Trial in the Vuelta a Castilla y León. He'd be close to it too. He himself treated his now-rescinded Tour stage win as his first career victory, and if he doesn't rate the 2003 Tour Down Under highly enough to count it neither do I.

I say we don't include Mikel. He did get that TdU win against lots of stiff competition and we all remember his TdF stage win. Despite it being taken away later, he was on the podium and got to experience the joy of winning.

I think i have a winner.

Bernhard Kohl. It seems all he ever won was Nats. And that dont count.

Kohl's retired though. Lets keep it to active (or suspended) riders. If he changes his mind and decides to make a comeback in 2014 we can reconsider him.


Sacha Modolo - 16 top 10s in his 1st year.
Yukiya Arashiro has good results w/o a win (11 top 10s, including Worlds).

 

[TheRossSeaParty]

Johan van Summeran

I think he has only won the overall of Tour of Poland?

One of the best domestiques out there.

 

[SiAp1984]

I know he has retired some looong time ago, but I have to think of Joseba Beloki. Has he ever won any individual Pro Race? I cannot remember a single one... would be interesting so please help me out...

 

[jaylew]

Not too many.
Asturias, Catalunya, some individual stages at a few different races...

 

[roundabout]

I think Wiggins and Porte both come into play then. TTs count.

Wiggy won a road stage in the Tour de l'Avenir in 2005.

 

[SiAp1984]

Not too many.
Asturias, Catalunya, some individual stages at a few different races...

Oh thanks. Always have wondered about this one. And I didn't know the page you used...

 

[jaylew]

I figured you didn't which is why I posted it. Be warned: you can waste literally hours of time there.

 

[The Hitch]

I was going to post this before but forgot. Now i remembered that i didnt post it hence im posting it now

TGAK

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

A few to start:

Tejay Van Garderen
Jurgen Van Den Broeck
Paolo Tiralongo

Tejay is in his 2nd year, and he is hardly a force to be reckoned with, so i really don't think he deserves a mention.

JVDB maybe, but if not for this tour's performance, maybe people wouldn't rate him so highly.. Tiralongo is a good one... if true?

I think Wiggins and Porte both come into play then. TTs count.

only problem here, is outside of tt's wiggo hardly jumps out as 'best without a win'

 

[Dutchsmurf]

Tiralongo is a good one... if true?

Looks like his only win comes from a TTT in the Tour Méditerranéen of 2002. So does that count?

 

[Ryaguas]

Looks like his only win comes from a TTT in the Tour Méditerranéen of 2002. So does that count?

The post should be "Best riders without a Solo victory?" that would be more specific =D

mmmmm for me Amets and Tiralongo... no question about it =D