Betsy Andreau Interviewed On ESPN This Morning

[thirteen]

Can you tell us where she has lied or exaggerated in relation to Armstrong?

obviously not

pffft!

 

[El Pistolero]

obviously not

pffft!

Well no, I wasn't there in all her conversations with Armstrong to know what's true and what's not.

You were apparently, so what did really happen then?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I can read. I can read you accusing Andreau of lying. So it is a simple question:

Can you give us an example of Andreau lying in order to attack Armstrong?

By doing this you will have provided a concrete example to support your claims and thus the validity of your argument.

Very simple to answer - I'll even start the sentence for you - Andreau lied when she claimed that...

 

[El Pistolero]

I can read. I can read you accusing Andreau of lying. So it is a simple question:

Can you give us an example of Andreau lying in order to attack Armstrong?

By doing this you will have provided a concrete example to support your claims and thus the validity of your argument.

Very simple to answer - I'll even start the sentence for you - Andreau lied when she claimed that...

I'm merely advising you to look at both sides with neutrality. If you're going to investigate the Lance Armstrong case while hating his guts you won't be neutral and therefor there will automatically be an asterisk behind whatever you say or write.

Considering we're talking about anecdotal evidence here, it's impossible to know what exactly is true and what not - even if the big lines of the story are correct(which I'm sure it is, mostly).

If I was there at all her conversations with Armstrong I'd gladly finish your sentence.

Though I personally don't think she's a hero like some are claiming. Maybe it would've helped if her man had a clean reputation like David Moncoutie/Bassons, but alas, he's a doper as well.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Here are some words for you. You need to re-arrange them in order to form a new sentence.

When in a hole, digging stop.

 

[hrotha]

I asked you to provide an example of any significant and important claim by Betsy that's just "her word against Lance's".

 

[El Pistolero]

Here are some words for you. You need to re-arrange them in order to form a new sentence.

When in a hole, digging stop.

Sorry all knowing person. Why don't you ride a book instead of posting your wisdom here? You know the truth don't you? Have you ever posted outside the clinic or is that all you care about in cycling?

I asked you to provide an example of any significant and important claim by Betsy that's just "her word against Lance's".

Unless she has recorded everything, most of it is anecdotal evidence. Some of which Lance finally admitted to. Some of which is still left in the open.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I'm merely advising you to look at both sides with neutrality.

That's not what you did, though. You outright accused her of lying:

I love how the clinic in their blind hatred of Armstrong have turned every opponent of him in a hero.

History really is written by the winners.

Both sides are feeding you lies, try and look at the middle ground for something that best resembles the truth.

 

[El Pistolero]

That's not what you did, though. You outright accused her of lying:

Everyone tells lies sometimes, I can accuse the whole human race. Though I'll expand that with sides I mean the pro-Armstrong camp and the contra-Armstrong camp.

 

[thirteen]

Well no, I wasn't there in all her conversations with Armstrong to know what's true and what's not.

you were accusing her of lying or exaggerating in regards to her appearance on television after the "confession" (you know, what this thread is titled?). i'll refresh your memory in case you forgot what you said:

She's getting her 5 minutes of fame, that's enough reason to be lying or exaggerating some of the truth. After all, who wouldn't want to be called a hero by millions of people watching?

all i am saying is that Betsy did not lie or exaggerate on ESPN to become hero to millions or get her fifteen minutes of fame... all she did was to say what she's been saying from the very beginning.

 

[The_Z_man]

I didn't watch the LA and Oprah show, but I did see Betsy on Anderson Cooper. The one piece of the LA interview was the bit they showed to Betsy.

"They've been hurt too badly." I think that says all you need to know about Lance. The guy didn't even have the ball to say "I've hurt them too badly." Instead he distances himself from his own actions. It's just happened to her, is how he thinks of it.

It also says a lot about what kind of interviewer Oprah is. She didn't even follow up with, "Who hurt them?"

 

[hrotha]

Unless she has recorded everything, most of it is anecdotal evidence. Some of which Lance finally admitted to. Some of which is still left in the open.

I asked for a specific example.

 

[El Pistolero]

you were accusing her of lying or exaggerating in regards to her appearance on television after the "confession" (you know, what this thread is titled?). i'll refresh your memory in case you forgot what you said:


all i am saying is that Betsy did not lie or exaggerate on ESPN to become hero to millions or get her fifteen minutes of fame... all she did was to say what she's been saying from the very beginning.

I'm accusing her of having a reason(motive) to lie. Cui bono? And Armstrong was famous from the very beginning he won the Tour de France. Her man's a doper as well in case you missed it.

I asked for a specific example.

If I was there I'd give you one. I'm not pretending to know the truth like so many people on the clinic. I do know both sides in the Armstrong case have been telling lies.

 

[hrotha]

If I was there I'd give you one. I'm not pretending to know the truth like so many people on the clinic. I do know both sides in the Armstrong case have been telling lies.

I asked for a specific example of something important she said that's just her word against Lance's.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I do know both sides in the Armstrong case have been telling lies.

Can you give an example of a lie told about Armstrong by his opponents?

 

[El Pistolero]

Can you give an example of a lie told about Armstrong by his opponents?

That's easy.

About 10 years later:

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/sep06/sep12news2

The guy even lied to his soon to be wife. He'll have no problem lying to a bunch of strangers.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

FAIL.

Question asked for a lie told by Armstrong's opponents about Armstrong.

Repeat and try again.

 

[El Pistolero]

FAIL.

Question asked for a lie told by Armstrong's opponents about Armstrong.

Repeat and try again.

How is it a fail when I just destroyed the guy's credibility? Why would I believe anything out of this guy's mouth?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Probably a smart thing moving this to a personal level involving one of a small group of people with integrity left.
We are running out of options imo.

(this is not a response to the El Pisto discussion).

 

[Amsterhammer]

Epic fail, Pisti. Truly epic. Though with you, there's always the possibility that this is pure trolling.

Your credibility is shot to hell for ever, no need for me to repeat what others have already said. Your 'evidence' of an admission by Frankie from '99 has absolutely zip to do with the consistency of Betsy's story from day one. To impugn her integrity is base and shameful.

 

[red_flanders]

Lets move on from the Betsy lied line of discussion unless some examples are provided. Thanks.

 

[El Pistolero]

Epic fail, Pisti. Truly epic. Though with you, there's always the possibility that this pure trolling.

Your credibility is shot to hell for ever, no need for me to repeat what others have already said. Your 'evidence' of an admission by Frankie from '99 has absolutely zip to do with the consistence of Betsy's story from day one. To impugn her integrity is base and shameful.

Uh, that was in the response of someone in the contra-Armstrong camp telling lies, not Betsy.

If her man already lies so easily against his soon to be wife(at the time) what would stop him from lying to a bunch of strangers about someone he hates(for good reasons of course as Lance is a jerk )?

You guys are really emotionally involved in this case for some reason. Try not to get so worked up on it.

 

[johnsiviour]

How is it a fail when I just destroyed the guy's credibility? Why would I believe anything out of this guy's mouth?

Destroyed his credibility??? So Frankie has no credibility???

If so then nothing Lance has said, will ever say has any credibility!

Yes I lie, I think very few humans never lie. This does not mean we give Frankie no credit. Frankie may have been splitting hairs/ been economical with the truth/not told the comlete truth...But overall both He and Betsy come across as very credible.

 

[El Pistolero]

Destroyed his credibility??? So Frankie has no credibility???

If so then nothing Lance has said, will ever say has any credibility!

Yes I lie, I think very few humans never lie. This does not mean we give Frankie no credit. Frankie may have been splitting hairs/ been economical with the truth/not told the comlete truth...But overall both He and Betsy come across as very credible.

Lance does indeed have almost no credibility. I'm not on the pro-Armstrong side here.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

How is it a fail when I just destroyed the guy's credibility? Why would I believe anything out of this guy's mouth?

You failed because you didn't answer the question posed to you.

You failed because you didn't provide evidence of Armstrong's opponents lying about Armstrong.

You failed because you can not back up and support your argument with evidence.

0-3 one more and you'll have a Golden Sombrero