Betsy Andreu Appreciation Society

[Anonymous]

Good job BPC. You've got the jackals all stirred up. Very entertaining - BRAVO!!
The first mention of troll was 3 pages ago and they still can't help themselves. You're the master.

Wrong Dickweasel, I called it last week. I knew the same about you the first time you defiled this forum with your ignorance.

 

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Wrong Dickweasel, I called it last week. I knew the same about you the first time you defiled this forum with your ignorance.

The next time one of these guys changes names they should choose Dickweasel so the games can begin right from day 1. Just my thoughts as a bemused observer.

 

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I think the most important thing in this saga is that:

a) Lance doped
b) everybody else doped
c) if you confess you get crucified and if you won a tour you get an * after your name (ask Bjarne R.)
d) so Armstrong denies everything, like he should when its hypocrisy everywhere around you
e) he was the best rider in that era
f) he makes a comeback in an other era, that if its not clean, much cleaner anyway, after 3.5 years and almost 38 years old, beating up everyone except two phenoms - Contador and A.Schleck - and proved to me, and others I think that he is a true champ
g) it wasn't his (nor Virenque's, Ullrich's, and others) fault that he/they was an exceptional cyclist starting in the nineties where epo and other stuff was a must if you wanted to win, endorsed by teams and their med. staff.
h) if Betsy said blip and Lance said blap its an interesting anecdote but really not more than that

Looks good. I think h) is particularly relevant to this thread. Time for everyone in that hospital room to move on. You can't fight people that don't believe you (even though there are none in this forum), so you might as well just move on instead of kicking up dust with it.

 

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So if we all agree that it happened the way the Andreus said, is your only problem that she didn't have the "guts" to lie? Like everyone else around LA seems to be able to.

I have got no problem with the way all that went down. It solidified my suspicion that Armstrong was involved in doping prior to cancer in the early 90's. Which only remains at a much higher suspicion level without real evidence. I am now looking for solid information that he doped through all his wins and is doping now on the professional circuit.

 

[Race Radio]

Looks good. I think h) is particularly relevant to this thread. Time for everyone in that hospital room to move on. You can't fight people that don't believe you (even though there are none in this forum), so you might as well just move on instead of kicking up dust with it.

Whenever Armstrong's doping is brought up some groupie says

 

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I assume what Betsy is saying here is her recollection of events at the Hospital.

Many posters on the other thread tried to dismiss what Betsy heard.

Also it should be noted this is what Lance said during his testimony-

Q Okay. Do you have any recollection while these individuals [the visitors] were there that a Doctor or Doctors came into the room and discussed with you your medical treatment or your condition?

LA "Abolutley not"

Q Okay.

LA "That didn't happen"

I didn't dismiss it, but I did test it. That is a very healthy thing to do in order to not jump to conclusions.

 

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Whenever Armstrong's doping is brought up some groupie says

Internet forum clip art is so 2004. It really is time to move along.......

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I didn't dismiss it, but I did test it. That is a very healthy thing to do in order to not jump to conclusions.

Take it easy Scribe - it wasn't you!

And I have no problem someone querying the facts - that is what I did.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Good job BPC. You've got the jackals all stirred up. Very entertaining - BRAVO!!
The first mention of troll was 3 pages ago and they still can't help themselves. You're the master.

Nah - they are not as good as TheArbiter, its a pity as they only just missed each other as BPC joined 2 days after TheArbiter got banned.

 

[Race Radio]

Internet forum clip art is so 2004. It really is time to move along.......

Worshiping false gods is so stone age.....

 

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Worshiping false gods is so stone age.....

Hello! The McCarthy era has long ago gone......

 

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Nah - they are not as good as TheArbiter, its a pity as they only just missed each other as BPC joined 2 days after TheArbiter got banned.

Yes... I repeat... Hmmmmm

 

[Race Radio]

Hello! The McCarthy era has long ago gone......

McCarthy? The persecution complex is getting comical.

 

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McCarthy? The persecution complex is getting comical.

You're right. The extent of your desire to eliminate doping from the sport is limited to one cyclist. McCarthy accused everyone and their brother.

My bad!

 

[Ozzie2]

Nah - they are not as good as TheArbiter, its a pity as they only just missed each other as BPC joined 2 days after TheArbiter got banned.

Wasn't there a 1-day bike race on somewhere last week?

I also note that LA's twittee responses went into overdrive during those 2 days

 

[Race Radio]

You're right. The extent of your desire to eliminate doping from the sport is limited to one cyclist. McCarthy accused everyone and their brother.

My bad!

No, the list is much longer....and includeds DS' as well. Lefevre, The Hog, Mauro Gianetti, Also McQuaid, Verbruggen.

 

[Escarabajo]

Politicians don't generally lie, they put spin on the facts. There is more than one way to look at Dr Ferrari, for instance, however I'm sure you would only focus on the drug side. Doesn't mean you are lying or even have "made an error" - it's just a matter of opinion and slant. Hope that clarifies what I am saying.

Man, you are a really something. You are just spitting words without any relation to questions or comments that other forists have stated before. You are just stirring the pile like Arbiter did.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So you weren't debating it like four days ago with anyone? And you're name isn't suspicious? We might have to move you to a different category at this rate.

No - not 4 days ago - it was the 9th August.

Actually the last post on that topic was with a guy called TheArbiter - and I had asked him to find where I had errored in my views/spin on Dr. Ferrari?

I know its a mad coincidence...

I am going to let you in on a little secret - Dr. Maserati is not my real name....ssshh dont tell the rest they have no idea

 

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This doc is as fair as they come.

 

[Galic Ho]

The fact that his body shape completely changed and his face went almost gaunt. It was quite obvious. Triathletes are a lot bigger on the upper body.

What triathletes? Most of those on par with Lance's height are a few kilos less than 70kgs or approximately the 160lb mark. Lance is acknowledged to be over 70kg. Triathletes share similarities physique wise with bike riders. On a case per case basis you may have a point with Ironman triathletes but most of the Olympic distance pros are not big in their upper body. They are lean and muscular in their shoulders and arms, but not bulky. Photos of Lance from his triathlon days rarely resemble triathletes. I'd go as far as saying his upper body looked larger than most triathletes. Armstrongs face only looked gaunt this year. So its most likely he never lost much weight, except perhaps this year. Also where he holds his weight doesn't matter much if he doesn't lose weight.

 

[blackcat]

The fact that his body shape completely changed and his face went almost gaunt. It was quite obvious. Triathletes are a lot bigger on the upper body.

triathletes can be just as small as cyclists. They tend to be a little larger than runners, but not by much. Armstrong just had a physique like Danilo Napolitano, but Napolitano stole Armstrong's eyebrows.

 

[elizab]

House aka PCB, were I a media *****, then I could discuss your stupid theory about this 5 minutes of "fame" or whatever it is you purport it to be.

I don't view defending my character as something that's fun.

Let me ask you (House), should I have lied as you suggested saying that I "misremembered" when that wouldn't have been the truth?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Not sure but I think that might be addressed to me.

Since I haven't witnessed a great attack on your character, merely the charge that you mixed up some information - though no one has said this on this forum - I don't buy into this notion that you are 'defending your good name'. I think it's more to do with being part of a story that is to do with one of the world's most famous people. It must be intriging to drop in on the endless chatter on the internet to see if the part of the story you are involved in is being mentioned. I wouldn't be able to resist it either - it would be fun to google away your own name. There isn't any great attack on your character from anywhere that I can see.



But you're using "the truth" as some big sexy religious type slogan. Life isn't like that. In honesty, given your relationship to Armstrong at the time and the position of trust you were given by being allowed in the room at the terrible time in his life; and the fact the doctor/patient relationship is a strictly private affair, and lastly, the fact the outside world wouldn't understand how doping was normal in the sport in the 1990s, the decent thing to do would be to have said you were not 100% sure about what you heard. Yes I suppose it would be sort of lying, but nevertheless the honorable course of action. That's my view.

Don't beat yourself up about it though. I just think you got the balance wrong in your judgment. I'm sure you meant well.

You write a lot - yet as usual you say little

In summary you are saying the decent and honorable thing to do is lie.....

And unlike you, Betsy was invited here by another forum member when this thread started.

 

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...the decent thing to do would be to have said you were not 100% sure about what you heard. Yes I suppose it would be sort of lying, but nevertheless the honorable course of action. That's my view.

Setting morals aside, which sadly seems to come easily to you, this "sort of lying" would also be illegal. I am not familiar with Texas state law, but I am quite sure that perjury is considered as serious an offence there as it is elsewhere in North America. Perjury is far from honourable, it is a slap to the face of the legal system that your forefathers fought to establish. All that to defend someone who deliberately broke the rules of his sport?

 

[Hugh Januss]

So if we all agree that it happened the way the Andreus said, is your only problem that she didn't have the "guts" to lie? Like everyone else around LA seems to be able to.

His face went gaunt when the government started talking about perjury charges against Bonds and Clemens.

So if she just would have "manned up" and lied, then everything would have been alright, you think?