Big George testified he and lance supplied each other with EPO

[Moose McKnuckles]

After the 60 minutes segment- there is no doubt that Hincapie has already cut a deal with the GJ in exchange for immunity-and since he and Hamilton have opted for that route-I ask who's next to expose the facts?

It's coming bro. It's coming. You're about to see a Postal train of an entirely different kind.

 

[rata de sentina]

Assuming Hincapie still likes Armstrong :

If Hincapie didn't out Armstrong in the Grand jury, and there was a public report that he did, he would have publicy denied that he outed Armstrong.

If Hincapie did out Armstrong in the Grand Jury, and there was a public report that he did, he would make a non-denial denial (I never spoke to CBS, it depends on what your definition of "is" is, we will not comment on an unofficial test,...).


It is obvious to me what Hincapie did in the grand jury. Why isn't it obvious to everybody ?

Because a significant protion of the human race is inacpable of thinking logically, either ever or in a consistent fashion. You really shouldn't be surprised at that unless you live in some sort of extradimensional bubble.

 

[LukeSchmid]

Hincapie is preparing for his record equalling 16th Tour de France, which will almost certainly would be his last on purely sporting grounds without this doping issue. After the Tour de France is the earliest, unless things develop very quickly, I would think he would say anything publicly.

 

[dbrower]

How is it absolute nonsense? I just said that Hincapie can't confirm or deny anything about his testimony, which is true. You said that he isn't limited to discussing his testimony, which is also true, but not relevant to the post that i was replying to.

The reasons GH would not talk include(a) his attorneys have advised him not to, and he listens to them; (b) he's been given some immunity, and a condition that would jeopardize it is talking about what happened in the GJ room; (c) he wants to ride out the season as long as he can;

If he had no jeopardy from something he'd done, or said, then he wouldn't need immunity, so we can reasonably conclude he said some incriminating things that cause him to want confidentiality for as long as he can maintain it.

Whether the details reported by CBS match the details of the testimony is an open question, but I doubt very much that Mr. Fabiani is in a position to conclude the reports are substantively inaccurate, as that would indicate GH has already lost whatever confidentiality angle he has left, exposing him to possible loss of immunity. That is, GH seems unlikely to have told Lance what he said in the GJ in detail, and may, in fact, have lied to LA about what transpired, and wants to delay that day or reckoning as well.

-dB

 

[D-Queued]

... That is, GH seems unlikely to have told Lance what he said in the GJ in detail, and may, in fact, have lied to LA about what transpired, and wants to delay that day or reckoning as well.

-dB

Sure be fun to be a fly on the wall for the Lance and George conversation.

Dave.

 

[webvan]

Lance vs Greg phone call after the Ferrari comments x100 !

 

[theswordsman]

Now that the dust has settled a bit, certain things are starting to bother me. I think it's great that 60 Minutes learned of Hincapie's testimony, and told us about it, because it kicks the public acceptance up a notch. But seeing the denials and non-reaction made it impossible for me to watch George race at ATOC. All he's done was get subpoenaed and tell the truth (hopefully the detailed truth) under oath, with apparent compensation in the form of immunity.

It's one thing if that stayed secret, but we now know that he used EPO during his seven years with Lance, and also supplied it to him on occasion, as well as receiving it. How are fans supposed to be able to watch the Tour de France knowing that a recently confessed doper will be riding the race as a kind of hero, appearing for the sixteenth time or whatever it is?

I know that some people here have said for years that there's no way a guy that big goes up mountains the way he did clean, and you were right, but before, he was just under suspicion like most guys. If he never used EPO, and he was asked about the 60 Minutes episode, he would have said he never used it, not that he couldn't discuss the investigation. Lots of people have made that connection. But in the interest of a clean sport, how can we sit quietly and watch the one guy we know confessed to authorities compete?

If he gave testimony that will help bring other criminals to justice, that's fine, give him immunity, and let him move on to a career in clothing or whatever. Don't expect us to watch him return to the scene of the crime and act as if nothing has happened.

 

[DirtyWorks]

...
It's one thing if that stayed secret, but we now know that he used EPO during his seven years with Lance, and also supplied it to him on occasion, as well as receiving it. How are fans supposed to be able to watch the Tour de France knowing that a recently confessed doper will be riding the race as a kind of hero, appearing for the sixteenth time or whatever it is?

Many dedicated fans that feel the doping was wrong will just let the past go. It's not forgiveness per se, just forgetting all the clean riders he lied to and cheated.

Casual fans won't know him from any of the other rider unless he does some time on the front of the peloton and commentators call him out.

 

[McLovin]

i haven't seen 60 minutes..so, what exactly hincapie said? or they saw his testimony and put it in the show?
sorry, CN sad nothing on news board, after the program was aired.

 

[zigmeister]

i haven't seen 60 minutes..so, what exactly hincapie said? or they saw his testimony and put it in the show?
sorry, CN sad nothing on news board, after the program was aired.

Nothing. George never talked to 60 minutes. It is all just more hearsay. Some "source" said George testified to the grand jury that he and Lance did EPO/Test...

But, nobody that is part of the grand jury, prosecution, George/his attorney, said they have talked about any of this and released any info.

What to make of it? More B.S...

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>

What to make of it? More B.S...

says fanboy ziggy

 

[Allen H]

Nothing. George never talked to 60 minutes. It is all just more hearsay. Some "source" said George testified to the grand jury that he and Lance did EPO/Test...

But, nobody that is part of the grand jury, prosecution, George/his attorney, said they have talked about any of this and released any info.

What to make of it? More B.S...

It's worth noting George's only denial was that he didn't talk to 60 Minutes. He didn't deny that he had testified to the grand jury, nor did he deny the content of the leak - all he said was that he wasn't the source of the leak.

 

[sashimono]

If George plans to line up at the TdF he will first have to design some team-colored armor.

 

[VeloCity]

More B.S...

What's the other BS?

 

[Benotti69]

What's the other BS?

Lance never did PEDs, it was his high cadence, didn't you know?

 

[VeloCity]

Lance never did PEDs, it was his high cadence, didn't you know?

Oh right. What was I thinking. Who needs PEDs when you can pedal so much faster than everyone else?

 

[WonderLance]

The guy who peadals the fastest wins the race derrrrrrrr.

 

[ulrikmm]

so Gundersons speed secret was: PEDal to the metal?

 

[arrhythmia rules]

Look I have it on the very best authority, one we can all trust as elected to the top of the cycling world:
Verbruggen says Armstrong “never, never, never” doped
So there we have it, the definitive answer.

 

[dbrower]

Look I have it on the very best authority, one we can all trust as elected to the top of the cycling world:
Verbruggen says Armstrong “never, never, never” doped
So there we have it, the definitive answer.

And who would ever, ever, ever question that?

 

[Andynonomous]

Pressure on Hincapie from Armstrong ?

I just had a thought.

If Hincapie did out Armstrong in the GJ, and
Hincapie is the most credible eye witness against Armstrong
then
Does Armstrong pressure Hincapie in some way ?


If Hincapie is the difference between a conviction for Armstrong or not, I can't see Armstrong not strong-arming George. Especially since
- Armstrong has access to him,
- Armstrong has a history of strong-arming people who threaten Lance,
- Armstrong would probably already know if Hincapie has outed him or not.

If George retracts his story in open court, he may set himself up for a perjury charge, but Armstrong may make it worthwhile to him (look at Anderson protecting Bonds).

 

[shawnrohrbach]

I think it's great that 60 Minutes learned of
It's one thing if that stayed secret, but we now know that he used EPO during his seven years with Lance, and also supplied it to him on occasion, as well as receiving it. How are fans supposed to be able to watch the Tour de France knowing that a recently confessed doper will be riding the race as a kind of hero, appearing for the sixteenth time or whatever it is?

I know that some people here have said for years that there's no way a guy that big goes up mountains the way he did clean, and you were right, but before, he was just under suspicion like most guys. If he never used EPO, and he was asked about the 60 Minutes episode, he would have said he never used it, not that he couldn't discuss the investigation. Lots of people have made that connection. But in the interest of a clean sport, how can we sit quietly and watch the one guy we know confessed to authorities compete?

I like a guy who tells the truth. If the governing bodies get any official word that he did admit to doping all those years, then they can suspend him like anyone else who tells the truth. No problem. The timing of it all may work in George's favor; no official revelations of Hincapie admissions from the GJ until after the TdF as they move slowly forward with an investigation. if George agreed to seal his lips until the investigation is over, show me any official admission to doping from Hincapie and I might also be uncomfortable watching him race his 16th TdF. Otherwise, I will enjoy the show.

 

[VeloCity]

If Hincapie is the difference between a conviction for Armstrong or not,

I really doubt that will be the case. Novitzky's got his reputation on the line too, and he/the Feds won't file charges unless there's a s**tload of substantive evidence and eyewitness testimony. Hincapie will just be one of many.

 

[powerste]

I really doubt that will be the case. Novitzky's got his reputation on the line too, and he/the Feds won't file charges unless there's a s**tload of substantive evidence and eyewitness testimony. Hincapie will just be one of many.

Correct. In the legal sense, Hincapie is definitely not gonna make or break either Novi or LA. The Feds will come with both barrels blazing, and GH is one piece of shot in one shell. Right now, GH is much more exciting to the media than he is to the law.

 

[MacRoadie]

I just had a thought.

If Hincapie did out Armstrong in the GJ, and
Hincapie is the most credible eye witness against Armstrong
then
Does Armstrong pressure Hincapie in some way ?


If Hincapie is the difference between a conviction for Armstrong or not, I can't see Armstrong not strong-arming George. Especially since
- Armstrong has access to him,
- Armstrong has a history of strong-arming people who threaten Lance,
- Armstrong would probably already know if Hincapie has outed him or not.

If George retracts his story in open court, he may set himself up for a perjury charge, but Armstrong may make it worthwhile to him (look at Anderson protecting Bonds).

What can he do? IF the leaked information about GJ testimony is true (again "IF"), then the cat is out of the bag.

If you assume for agument's sake that GH admitted to doping and purchasing/supplying PEDs, then what else can Armstrong hold over his head that would convince George that changing his story (and facing a for-sure perjury conviction) is his best option?

Anderson was jailed on contempt and obstruction (?) charges. A perjury CONVICTION is a whole different matter (including the attendent felony conviction record, etc).

I think it's WAY too late for Strongarm to do anything to George...