Bjarne Riis, saved by silence?

[sniper]

Everytime there is a scandal we ask the question - how long can Mr 60% survive and yet he always does.

He'll go when McQuaid, Hein etc go.

+1

And where is the outrage about Riis still being in the game? Time for the clean part of the peloton to raise their voice.

 

[xrayvision]

For a long long while. I would interprete these Riis' words like 'Keep silent, don't interfere me, let me make money'.

Or he just don´t want to take all the blame alone, if he, as a team owner admits to been doping his riders, the chances are he´s done in cycling, why would he do that. Unfortunately one thing we learned the last 20 years is everybody doped, and everybody helped doing it, team owners, DS, docs, mechanics, wifes, bus drivers, the list is endless, and so are the people to blame.

Those who now "admits" to doping (except Tyler and Landis), still hides some facts, who did what and when, I´m sure we haven´t heard all yet.

Why in gods name would Riis stand out and take all the blame when so many still hides in the dark, especially old team owners, DS and docs, he has a team, you can hardly blame him for his silence how wrong it might be at this point in time, I´m sure he comes out sooner or later.

 

[xrayvision]

Really just sounds to me like he's waiting to see who says what then he can judge to what extent he can still lie.

Riis is one of the characters in this mess who can not be reconciled.

Then you better add every single DS and doc still in the game, he did what everybody else did, except bullying and intimidating people, suing and harassing his opponents, maybe it was time to take a step out of that box you sit in and see the whole picture.

 

[SundayRider]

Riis is teflon coated, nothing seems to stick.

 

[xrayvision]

Riis is teflon coated, nothing seems to stick.

You can say that, but as long UCI keeps protecting him and the team it will continue.

 

[jyhjyh]

UCI to Riis - shut up

Now UCI says that Riis talks to much about doping and order him to shut up:

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-02-12-uci-ti-stille-bjarne?forside (Danish)

UCI won't comment on doping at the moment says Enrico Carpani and refer to the Truth & Reconciliation Commision.

 

[Ney the Viking]

Now UCI says that Riis talks to much about doping and order him to shut up:

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-02-12-uci-ti-stille-bjarne?forside (Danish)

UCI won't comment on doping at the moment says Enrico Carpani and refer to the Truth & Reconciliation Commision.

Nothing to see here, move along please, we will make a commision, have everybody sit down and talk, then make a press release that all is well and good, the air has been cleared and cycling is now clean. Probably sometime between the Giro and Tour, and then it's buisness as usual come july

Cycling really has made me a cynic ...

 

[xrayvision]

Now UCI says that Riis talks to much about doping and order him to shut up:

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-02-12-uci-ti-stille-bjarne?forside (Danish)

UCI won't comment on doping at the moment says Enrico Carpani and refer to the Truth & Reconciliation Commision.

And yes, you can say that UCI is coming Riis to aid as well, the head of cycling told him to shut up........ No wonder cycling is fu cked up.

 

[del1962]

And yes, you can say that UCI is coming Riis to aid as well, the head of cycling told him to shut up........ No wonder cycling is fu cked up.

He hardly says anything, but they still want him to shut up, in 20 years time he might admit to cyclists that doped under his management

 

[JPM London]

Now UCI says that Riis talks to much about doping and order him to shut up:

http://sporten.tv2.dk/2013-02-12-uci-ti-stille-bjarne?forside (Danish)

UCI won't comment on doping at the moment says Enrico Carpani and refer to the Truth & Reconciliation Commision.

I'm wondering how Riis statement differs in substance from the following excerpt from the recent Velonews Pat interview:

VN: You said that you should be given credit for the change in culture in the peloton. If you had to acknowledge one major mistake you’ve made in the last year, in particular with this intertwined mess of Armstrong, USADA, WADA, the UCIIC, amnesty, etc., is there any one thing that you would have done differently?
PM: You’ve put me on the spot there and I can’t really think of one. All I can say there is that hindsight is 20/20 vision. You’ll always find you can do things differently in hindsight. But at the time you make a decision that you feel is the best decision for the sport going forward. A lot of the things you’ve mentioned, like the “Reasoned Decision,” they were out of my hands, I wasn’t involved in them. They happened by other people.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/exclusive-interview-with-uci-president-pat-mcquaid-part-2_274287/2

 

[Mr.38%]

Riis will sh|t his pants after the CAS ruling pro Katusha. Moral reasons and such.

 

[del1962]

Riis will sh|t his pants after the CAS ruling pro Katusha. Moral reasons and such.

Can't really see this, Riis knows where the bodies are buried (metaphorically speaking)

 

[Mr.38%]

Can't really see this, Riis knows where the bodies are buried (metaphorically speaking)

Sorry, irony without tags is appearently not one of my strengths.

 

[Samson777]

Hamilton earlier told about how Riis introduced him to Fuentes, but now Fuentes say that he does not know Riis in person.

Fuentes states that Hamilton is a liar, who have told a lot of lies, maybe because he have a interest in earning money.
Does anybody think it sounds familiar?

http://www.sporten.dk/cykling/fuentes-frikender-riis-har-aldrig-haft-noget-med-ham-at-goere

The question that remain for me is; what does Fuentes gain by saying this?

 

[DirtyWorks]

The question that remain for me is; what does Fuentes gain by saying this?

Imagine the questions in a deposition that would follow Fuentes making a statement like, "Oh yeah... My friend Bjarne... I know him."

The simplest lie is to deny, or my personal favorite "cannot recall."

 

[del1962]

Hamilton earlier told about how Riis introduced him to Fuentes, but now Fuentes say that he does not know Riis in person.

Fuentes states that Hamilton is a liar, who have told a lot of lies, maybe because he have a interest in earning money.
Does anybody think it sounds familiar?

http://www.sporten.dk/cykling/fuentes-frikender-riis-har-aldrig-haft-noget-med-ham-at-goere

The question that remain for me is; what does Fuentes gain by saying this?

Is there an English translation?

 

[Samson777]

Imagine the questions in a deposition that would follow Fuentes making a statement like, "Oh yeah... My friend Bjarne... I know him."

The simplest lie is to deny, or my personal favorite "cannot recall."

Yes of course, but I mean Fuentes could just have chosen silence. As far as I know, he was not in a position where he Had to say anything about Riis.

 

[Samson777]

Is there an English translation?

I don't know about a english page, the interview was with a danish journalist I think.

Anyway what Fuentes say is:


I don't Know Riis In person. Of course I know him from pictures and so on, but I have never had anything to do with him.

But Hamilton says that Riis told him about you?
Hamilton have said a lot of wrong things. He have many interests, one of them is to earn money buy selling his book. Maybe that is why he say this. But it is wrong, I have no person relation to Bjarne Riis.

 

[Clausfarre]

I don't know who to believe at this point. Riis did and said nothing after Tyler's book came out and the fact that he didn't defend himself against the allegations suggests Riis still has lots to hide.

Is Riis trustworthy? Is Tyler? Fuentes?? Hmmmm...

 

[Le Baroudeur]

I don't know who to believe at this point. Riis did and said nothing after Tyler's book came out and the fact that he didn't defend himself against the allegations suggests Riis still has lots to hide.

Not so. Riis answered Tyler's allegations succinctly, to the point, and with the respect they deserve.

To quote he said: "I can categorically deny that is the case, It's simply not true", "I don't know Fuentes, I have never met him."

Thats pretty clear, even for a Swedish owned rag with an agenda.

Is Riis trustworthy? Is Tyler? Fuentes?? Hmmmm...

I think the real question is, how can a 'one on one' conversation be substantiable, how can a date you can't remember be substantiable, and being that Tyler's novella was claimed to be fully substantiable, how much of it is made up for effect to suit his twisted agenda and elevate him to employable sainthood as the "poor victim", while ignoring the fact that he was doping before he joined, after he left, busted not once, not twice, but three times, and concocted some of the most preposterous excuses known to sport, freely presented them under oath as truths with sincerity claiming victimisation, injustice, and innocence.

Tyler Hamilton manipulate the truth, settle scores, self-aggrandise? Never...

Every other rider or staff member thought to be doping on the team was gently but firmly shown the door, so why should Tyler be any different? Ah I forgot... Because he is the victim...

 

[xrayvision]

Not so. Riis answered Tyler's allegations succinctly, to the point, and with the respect they deserve.

To quote he said: "I can categorically deny that is the case, It's simply not true", "I don't know Fuentes, I have never met him."

Thats pretty clear, even for a Swedish owned rag with an agenda.



I think the real question is, how can a 'one on one' conversation be substantiable, how can a date you can't remember be substantiable, and being that Tyler's novella was claimed to be fully substantiable, how much of it is made up for effect to suit his twisted agenda and elevate him to employable sainthood as the "poor victim", while ignoring the fact that he was doping before he joined, after he left, busted not once, not twice, but three times, and concocted some of the most preposterous excuses known to sport, freely presented them under oath as truths with sincerity claiming victimisation, injustice, and innocence.

Tyler Hamilton manipulate the truth, settle scores, self-aggrandise? Never...

Every other rider or staff member thought to be doping on the team was gently but firmly shown the door, so why should Tyler be any different? Ah I forgot... Because he is the victim...

You have to take into account that the Clinic been demanding Riis´s exit from cycling for years and seen him as the evil team owner of all cycling history with organized doping on hes team, something that have never been proven, so that Fuentes now clears Riis and says their big savior Tyler is a liar, and showing the Clinic been wrong is a hard fact to swallow, and you can be damn sure most will now come up with tons of theories to why Fuentes should do exatly that, course no way in hell Riis could be telling the truth from the start.
I guess its just part of the human mentality.

 

[Benotti69]

You have to take into account that the Clinic been demanding Riis´s exit from cycling for years and seen him as the evil team owner of all cycling history with organized doping on hes team, something that have never been proven, so that Fuentes now clears Riis and says their big savior Tyler is a liar, and showing the Clinic been wrong is a hard fact to swallow, and you can be damn sure most will now come up with tons of theories to why Fuentes should do exatly that, course no way in hell Riis could be telling the truth from the start.
I guess its just part of the human mentality.

You are a fan?

Riis admitted he doped to win the TdF. That in my mind is enough to throw him out of the sport. So he doped to win in 1996 and only admitted it 11 years later when a book came out about T-Mobile.

He had been a DS for for 8 years before admitting his doping.

Yeah Riis is part of the cleanER (not) cycling that started in 2006, a full 20 years after he won the TdF on buckets of EPO.

Riis is another part of the massive widescale doping problem in cycling.

Fuentes has not thrown anyone under the bus.........yet. Patience.

 

[hrotha]

Wow, you need to be quite the fanboy to say Fuentes has more credibility than Hamilton.

 

[Cimber]

Wow, you need to be quite the fanboy to say Fuentes has more credibility than Hamilton.

Imo both have equally low amount of credibility. But one point is that Fuentes has no obvious reason to lie about Riis (other than saving Riis's a$$) whereas Hamilton does have reasons to lie (commercial reasons and revenge on the sport).

That said, I am not able to judge wether Fuentes, Hamilton or neitehr of them are telling the truth about this. I dont really find either credible. Sometimes it disgusts me how much credibility this forum gives Hamilton. I think he does tell the truth to an extend, but I do also think that asa notorious liar he has spiced up certain parts.

That said, I dont think Riis is/was a "clean team owner", but wether he had anything to do with Fuentes I dont know. I assume he would be smart enough to not be seen with him or other doping doctors but maybe simply hinting who the riders could turn to etc.

In any case, Fuentes statement is a big help for Riis in this matter. It is gonna be interesting to find out if Rasmussen has said interesting thing about Riis though.

 

[Lanark]

Imo both have equally low amount of credibility. But one point is that Fuentes has no obvious reason to lie about Riis (other than saving Riis's a$$) whereas Hamilton does have reasons to lie (commercial reasons and revenge on the sport).

But Fuentes is facing a prisone sentence, where Hamilton was one of the key witnesses against him. Of course he has every reason to make Hamilton seem like a liar.