BMC in disarray?

[El Pistolero]

you are not a legend simply because by winning races alone. it's more the whole aura surrounding it. pantani is one of the biggest cycling legends of all time. and not because he won the tour 7 times or so

That's true, but that's partly because he died young(Ché Guevara is also considered a hero and a legend by many people for example). Let's hope that doesn't happen for Iglinsky and Vino.

 

[therhodeo]

Vino is a legend based solely on that attack in Paris in 2005.

 

[Ripper]

boonen is not a legend ...

Umm, go to Europe, especially Belgium. Boonen is most definitely a "legend". He could quit now and would be remembered as such.

It is not your call whether someone is a legend. Think of it like a people's choice award - when a country has a song for you and they want you every minute of every day ... I think you get the idea.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

That's true, but that's partly because he died young(Ché Guevara is also considered a hero and a legend by many people for example). Let's hope that doesn't happen for Iglinsky and Vino.

A very small part and yea, boonen is a legend and will forever be.

 

[El Pistolero]

says the guy who thought gilbert would win lbl my predictions have coem a lot further than yours so if you don't midn I'll stick with my own

You've actually been wrong a lot, but there's so little room in my sig. Most people thought Phil would win, he didn't, it's not the end of the world. He was a good pick, no matter what you like to think Ryo.

 

[meat puppet]

I don't get, and moreover detest, the idea floating around cycling commentary that big races are to be won by the established big guns only. That's a form of thought so backwards that it makes feudalism appear progressive and modern.

Also the making of legends stuff... Who cares. It's strictly about the bike, and racing on it. When an individual rider becomes bigger than the sport, we end up where we are now.

E: Actually, I'm truly surprised by BMC's lackluster performances this year. Not that I complain, but nonetheless. Cadel will probably save their tuckus, but it's always nice to see big (money) teams not making it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

You've actually been wrong a lot, but there's so little room in my sig. Most people thought Phil would win, he didn't, it's not the end of the world. He was a good pick, no matter what you like to think Ryo.

what is in your sig is also correct. boonen was not stronger at all this year then any other year. cancellara rode away in roubaix and killed eveyrone by 3 minutes

 

[El Pistolero]

2 minutes actually.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

2 minutes actually.

his maximum lead was above 3 minutes. In the final when he was already certain he rode very slowly and they came back a minute yeah
So he did ride away 3 minutes and held 2 minutes at the line.
Boonen had 1'39 at the line and that was also about his max lead

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

his maximum lead was above 3 minutes. In the final when he was already certain he rode very slowly and they came back a minute yeah
So he did ride away 3 minutes and held 2 minutes at the line.
Boonen had 1'39 at the line and that was also about his max lead

see what excuses pisti will come up with

 

[El Pistolero]

his maximum lead was above 3 minutes. In the final when he was already certain he rode very slowly and they came back a minute yeah
So he did ride away 3 minutes and held 2 minutes at the line.
Boonen had 1'39 at the line and that was also about his max lead

And Boonen didn't slow down in the final?

Boonen's solo was longer, does that make him better?

Sounds like a "how long is your ****" contest", I'm out. At least they chased after Boonen this year, can't say the same about 2010. I fail to see how Boonen was not stronger this year compared to last year though? Ryo argument right there. I'm not even sure what Cancellara has to do with any of this?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

it's hilariosu to think boonen is better than cancellara. we all saw 2010

 

[Parrulo]

it's hilariosu to think boonen is better than cancellara. we all saw 2010

then how come boonen has a much better palmares?

 

[El Pistolero]

We all saw 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2009 as well.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

How can you possible think Boonens solo was better. When for 30km he was riding against Stannard and Hayman until Ballan/Boom attacked with 20km to go.

Cancellara rode against Boonen+friends from the get go in 2010 and only gained a lot of time in barely 10km. No 2nd rate helpers who were chasing there...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

then how come boonen has a much better palmares?

are you serious? do we have to name all the times cancellara had mechnicals or crashed unlucky?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

We all saw 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and 2009 as well.

I thought you were out? then why do you come back into this? to me you always seem like a little kid of 12 who doesn't get it his way

edit: and I alreayd know what you arer ghoing to respond.

something like: "oh look who's saying. guy who overhypes his colombians blabla"

save your breath

 

[El Pistolero]

are you serious? do we have to name all the times cancellara had mechnicals or crashed unlucky?

And even there, Boonen's list is much much longer.

 

[Parrulo]

How can you possible think Boonens solo was better. When for 30km he was riding against Stannard and Hayman until Ballan/Boom attacked with 20km to go.

Cancellara rode against Boonen+friends from the get go in 2010 and only gained a lot of time in barely 10km. No 2nd rate helpers who were chasing there...

what friends? every1 was on his wheel from the moment canc attacked till half way up le carrefour.

btw i also think canc's solo was more impressive

 

[El Pistolero]

I thought you were out? then why do you come back into this? to me you always seem like a little kid of 12 who doesn't get it his way

I was out of "who's solo is better" discussion as it is childish beyond means.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I was out of "who's solo is better" discussion as it is childish beyond means.

its childish because everyone without a belgian or boonen glasses on can see Cancellara's solo was godlike. Boonens was amazing, but not as good as Cancellara's....

 

[El Pistolero]

And why is Cancellara in this discussion exactly? This is about Ryo thinking someone like Boonen won't become a cycling legend but someone who buys his races is

Did I say Cancellara was not a legend? Oh wait, I think I did actually! So fark off. I honestly don't care about who's solo was better.

Iglinsky will become a legend, but Boonen not. Got to love Ryo's arguments.

What I do know is, Boonen has been much more consistent in the classics than Cancellara thus he's been better so far in his (classics) career. So I have absolutely no problem calling Boonen the better classic specialist of the two. If 2010 counts, why doesn't 2005 count? Or 2008? 2009?

Ps: take of your Suisse sunglasses.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Stop it with the insults. Or else.

Susan

 

[thehog]

Stop it with the insults. Or else.

Susan

BMC not in disarray?

 

[mr. tibbs]

Haha considering the result today, a Boonen/Cancellara rant isn't what I expected to find in the BMC thread.