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movingtarget

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Looks like Dennis will hang on for a top 13-20 finish depending on the next stage which is about what I expected. The TT gains were wiped out by the losses in the mountains. Such a crazy race is probably not a good indicator of his future but he obviously has a long way to go and to even decide what races to target outside the TTs of course. A switch back to the one week stage races eventually would not surprise me. At this point O'Connor could be a better Australian GC prospect and who knows what Haig will do in the future ? Kiwi George Bennett also looking good. Richie probably gets one or two more shots at the Tour. Dennis will probably give it a few more seasons for GC to gauge possible improvement. I think too many riders spend too long chasing top 20 finishes in GTs. Hope Dennis doesn't go the same way if he doesn't show some real improvement in the next few seasons.
 
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movingtarget said:
Looks like Dennis will hang on for a top 13-20 finish depending on the next stage which is about what I expected. The TT gains were wiped out by the losses in the mountains. Such a crazy race is probably not a good indicator of his future but he obviously has a long way to go and to even decide what races to target outside the TTs of course. A switch back to the one week stage races eventually would not surprise me. At this point O'Connor could be a better Australian GC prospect and who knows what Haig will do in the future ? Kiwi George Bennett also looking good. Richie probably gets one or two more shots at the Tour. Dennis will probably give it a few more seasons for GC to gauge possible improvement. I think too many riders spend too long chasing top 20 finishes in GTs. Hope Dennis doesn't go the same way if he doesn't show some real improvement in the next few seasons.
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I hope Dennis gives up on GT GC for his own sake
So few riders win or podium GTs and they need to be top climbers
Dennis is strong and determined but he is not a high mountian climber. At best he will hang on for top 10s
Such punishment to try and be like Dumoulin , who is a better climber ...may deplete Dennis in other races

If I were him I'd target worlds IT and other shorther stage races and save myself from GT burnout
 
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HelloDolly said:
movingtarget said:
Looks like Dennis will hang on for a top 13-20 finish depending on the next stage which is about what I expected. The TT gains were wiped out by the losses in the mountains. Such a crazy race is probably not a good indicator of his future but he obviously has a long way to go and to even decide what races to target outside the TTs of course. A switch back to the one week stage races eventually would not surprise me. At this point O'Connor could be a better Australian GC prospect and who knows what Haig will do in the future ? Kiwi George Bennett also looking good. Richie probably gets one or two more shots at the Tour. Dennis will probably give it a few more seasons for GC to gauge possible improvement. I think too many riders spend too long chasing top 20 finishes in GTs. Hope Dennis doesn't go the same way if he doesn't show some real improvement in the next few seasons.
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I hope Dennis gives up on GT GC for his own sake
So few riders win or podium GTs and they need to be top climbers
Dennis is strong and determined but he is not a high mountian climber. At best he will hang on for top 10s
Such punishment to try and be like Dumoulin , who is a better climber ...may deplete Dennis in other races

If I were him I'd target worlds IT and other shorther stage races and save myself from GT burnout
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Worse than I expected after today but even Yates and Pinot collapsed which showed how hard a race it was this year. Chaves was ill it seems but he also had a bad race and Aru pulled out. Dennis will chalk it up to a learning experience. But yes his future probably isn't GT podiums or maybe even not top 10s. Stage wins have more value than top 10s anyway.
 
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So Dennis did collapse in the end. Still being in top 10 for a while after 18 stages was better than I expected. But he should concentrate on being the best time triallist. Which I think he already is. Only when it's significantly hilly Dumoulin can beat him.
 
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Yeah, he did better than I expected too - it was about 3 stages too many for him it seems.

He can go away with a Stage win and a collection of Pink Jerseys for his experience though.

I guess that he might give the Vuelta a go next.
 
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Caruso said to "Sui pedali magazine" that the management notified to them that they are in advanced talking with a new big sponsor and if they close the agreement the team will continue.
He said that they want to sort out all before the Tour.
 
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PeterB said:
So CCC will become main sponsor of an ex-BMC team, while keeping also their pro-conti team?
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Not sure if there is still a business need to have a separate team at the Pro Conti level. WT team will be present in all the major races around the world, while smaller races in countries where CCC has business interest (mainly Central and Eastern Europe) could be served well by a CT team. So a downgrade of the existing CCC team to CT level would be reasonable IMO.


However, nothing has been said about the future of the current CCC team, apart of that some of their riders and technical staff will move to the ex-BMC WT team. If I remember correctly, only Antunes has a contract for 2019.
 
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Yes, these should be IMO:

- based on the results achieved: Tratnik (but he has already signed with Bahrain, hasn't he?)
- based on the talent/possible development: Antunes, Banaszek (?), Owsian, Sajnok (?), Schlegel (?), Sisr (?)
 
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I think CCC is so integrated into Polish cycling community that they simply can not afford not taking several of their current Polish riders to their "main" team. Overlooking their Polish riders for the WT team and leaving them ride on a conti team would be like betraying their homeland. So I think it is fair to assume that they take at least 5-6 Polish riders to the WT team, unless they keep the "other" team at the pro conti level, in which case they can keep that one for Polish riders and the WT one for international ones. But as noted above, it makes little sense to fund pro conti team along the WT team.

As regards some new signings, Greipel could be a good fit, to start with.
 
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Too bad it didn't come a few months earlier. They might have retained a lot of their talent. But it's a win for the sport to see these teams merge and for BMC to survive. Next year they should be able to make some good signings depending on their finances. There still might be some good riders coming off contract that haven't been signed.
 
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One other interesting point:
"I am excited to see CCC partner with Continuum Sports and reach the highest level of cycling. We have been looking for an opportunity to join the WorldTour and this was the perfect chance to partner with a well established and respected team, with Greg Van Avermaet as team leader," Milek said in a team statement.
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Wasn't there "an opportunity to join the WorldTour" as lately as last autumn when Vaughters scrambled for sponsors? Or maybe back then it did not involve "well established and respected team"?
 
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According to VeloNews Ochowicz said they probably won't do GTs. CCC always put up a good fight in the televised races I saw, but tbh I don't see much opportunity (or need) to go global, at least for CCC exposure. It's a central European company, so expect races like Tour of Slovenia to be targets.
 
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del1962 said:
Wonder if they will entice Majka
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Depending on the budget, which I am afraid will be less than Bora's, so obviously they would like to, but Majka, whose position at his current team must be satisfactory to him, will probably have little incentive to change. But who knows if Bora will want to keep Majka...?

By the way this is from BMC's press release:

As the rider roster develops, so too will the team’s ambitions and objectives for stage races and Grand Tours.

The likes of Caruso and Roche if they stay would be good as a basis for the GTs and maybe if they try to attract riders from markets that are interesting to CCC such as Slovenia (Spilak? Pogacar? or even Roglic?) or Czech Rep. (Kreuziger?) along with some Polish talent they should do reasonably fine in the GTs.
 
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PeterB said:
along with some Polish talent they should do reasonably fine in the GTs.
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Does Poland have any up-and-coming GT talents?

I'm not into junior and u-23 racing, but as a Pole I haven't heard of any. The most promising Polish talents ATM seem to be Sajnok and Banaszek and they are not climbers. And there's 18 y.o. Filip Maciejuk. I don't know what type of rider he is, apart from being good at ITT.
 
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