indurain666 said:Before Zulle hit the wall at the Giro he had some insane performances: he averaged 54 kmh on a flat tt which included a climb.
Was that the TT into Trieste that had a straight finish with three turns in it?
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indurain666 said:Before Zulle hit the wall at the Giro he had some insane performances: he averaged 54 kmh on a flat tt which included a climb.
luckyboy said:Prologue TdF 1998 - 5.6km Dulbin
1. Chris Boardman 0.06:12
2. Abraham Olano Manzano +0.00:04
3. Laurent Jalabert +0.00:05
4. Bobby Julich +0.00:05
5. Christophe Moreau +0.00:05
6. Jan Ullrich +0.00:05
7. Alex Zülle +0.00:07
8. Laurent Dufaux +0.00:09
9. Andrei Tchmil +0.00:10
10. Viatcheslav Ekimov +0.00:11
miloman said:I always wondered "what if?" Doping aside, maybe it would have been Julich with a hand full of Tour titles...
Results:NashbarShorts said:That's great, but they are talking about the '99 Tour, the year Julich crashed out during the first TT.
autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/tour99/prologue.html
1. Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal 8.02
2. Alex Zülle (Swi) Banesto 0.07
3. Abraham Olano (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.11
4. Christophe Moreau (Fra) Festina 0.15
5. Chris Boardman (GBR) Crédit Agricole 0.16
6. Rik Verbrugghe (Bel) Lotto-Mobistar 0.18
7. Alexandre Vinokourov (Kzk) Casino 0.21
8. Santos Gonzalez (Spa) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.21
9. Laurent Brochard (Fra) Festina 0.21
10. Gilles Maignan (Fra) Casino 0.23
11. Andrea Peron (Ita) ONCE-Deutsche Bank 0.23
12. Laurent Dufaux (Swi) Saeco-Cannondale 0.23
13. Steffen Wesemann (All) Telekom 0.24
14. Christian Vandevelde (USA) US Postal 0.25
15. George Hincapie (USA) US Postal 0.26
16. Stuart O'Grady (Aus) Crédit Agricole 0.26
17. Angel Casero (Spa) Vitalicio Seguros 0.26
18. Tyler Hamilton (USA) US Postal 0.27
19. Jonathan Vaughters (USA) US Postal 0.27
20. Pavel Tonkov (Rus) Mapei-Quick Step 0.28
21. François Simon (Fra) Crédit Agricole 0.28
22. Bobby Julich (USA) Cofidis 0.28
23. Alvaro Gonzalez Galdeano (Spa) Vitalicio Seguros 0.29
24. César Solaun (Spa) Banesto 0.29
25. Erik Dekker (Ned) Rabobank 0.29
26. Paolo Savoldelli (Ita) Saeco-Cannondale 0.31
27. Patrick Jonker (Aus) Rabobank 0.32
28. Ludo Dierckxsens (Bel) Lampre-Daikin 0.32
29. Benoit Salmon (Fra) Casino 0.32
30. Magnus Backstedt (Suè) Crédit Agricole 0.33
In other words, "the problems" are no big deal; nothing out of the ordinary.Lance Armstrong (USA/US Postal, winner of the prologue): "Limoges, and the stage victory in the 1995 Tour was a very good day in my life. Today also. Coming into the climb, Olano had three seconds on me. But my team responsibilities kept me aiming towards the win. This Tour de France is a major objective of my team. Now we have the biggest responsibility of them all - to guard the yellow jersey. I am happy that I have proven that I am now over my illness. I did not ride the 1998 Tour with all the problems. It is true that cycling is going through problems at present. But it is a problem like those that exist in other areas of life."
hrotha said:The thing is, Festina didn't have an absolutely top-class rider to win GTs until they signed Zülle in 1998. Virenque was a very good climber, but until 1997 or so he lost a lot in the time trials. Few people thought he could improve on his 1997 podium, and that was before we knew just how juiced he was. Dufaux was a decent time-trialer, but he didn't climb as well as Virenque. Riis's program was probably superior in 1996 because he apparently wanted to die or something, but in subsequent years Festina was the most powerful team. They just lacked someone to win.
Zülle should have been that someone. However, in the 1998 Giro they went to such ridiculous lengths with their program that it backfired in the last week. I read somewhere that Zülle wanted the same Dufaux tried at Romandie, but a week-long race is not the same as a three-week race.
Thanks, I didn't know that. I should probably read that book.issoisso said:Willy Voet wrote in his book that the problem wasn't in the program. The problem was a soigneur who had no idea what he was doing, who thought "more can't hurt" and injected Zülle with a further substance that wasn't in the program, destroying the carefully crafted balance.
Zülle promptly fell to pieces.
Ninety5rpm said:Can't help but comment on Pharmstrong's quote after the 1999 prologue:
..I did not ride the 1998 Tour with all the problems. It is true that cycling is going through problems at present. But it is a problem like those that exist in other areas of life."
In other words, "the problems" are no big deal; nothing out of the ordinary.
cymbop said:I had a teammate who rode with Julich on the 7-Eleven junior team in the 80s. He said that Bobby was simply biggest *** on two wheels.
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JRTinMA said:I have never heard anything in particular with LA and Julich. I know LA hated when people left him post 1999 and he went out of his way to be a *** but what was his issue with Julich? Between ablasion surgery for BJ and LA going out with cancer its not like they were together all that long. What was the issue?
I think you are thinking Dave Zabriskie in the TTT when he was in yellow maybe, BJ was not going to pass LA.
JRTinMA said:I have never heard anything in particular with LA and Julich. I know LA hated when people left him post 1999 and he went out of his way to be a *** but what was his issue with Julich? Between ablasion surgery for BJ and LA going out with cancer its not like they were together all that long. What was the issue?
I think you are thinking Dave Zabriskie in the TTT when he was in yellow maybe, BJ was not going to pass LA.
NashbarShorts said:"Who is the rightful owner of title "America's best Tour hope". Etc, etc.
miloman said:I will go back and view my "tape" yes video tape, I still have a VCR and see for sure. However, I'm pretty sure it was a prolog and Phil and Paul were commneting that it was one of the fastest times. I'll let you know. Maybe someone else has it handy. And I believe the friction between Lance and Bobby goes back to when they were both amatures and invited back to Colorado Springs and Julich was picked over Lance for a place on the team. Does someone else remember the story?
pmcg76 said:I dont think Julich & Armstrong were ever great buddies going back to their amateur days, Julich was every bit as big a talent as Lance in 90-91 but wasnt such a good one day racer and his career went of track in 92-93 when he turned pro for Spago. Never understood why Motorola didnt pick him up in 92 along with Lance, Julich for the stage races and Lance for the one day races, maybe it was the rivalry between them that prevented it happening.
NashbarShorts said:I think you're forgetting the anger Armstrong held toward Cofidis for dropping him during his cancer. They chose to drop him and instead went with Julich as their star American and team leader for the GT's.
In '99 Lance came to the Tour w/ a huge chip on his shoulder. The American TV coverage (CBS?) was pumping the 1st TT as a big showdown b/w Julich and Lance. "Who is the rightful owner of title "America's best Tour hope". Etc, etc.
shouldawouldacoulda said:I'm not surprised. A lot of riders who are super talented at a young age are also very very arrogant. They haven't matured emotionally enough to understand that being a good athlete doesn't equate to being a better person (than most). Some of these arrogant *** never grow out of this ...
Benotti69 said:cofidis never dropped pharmastrong. another uniballer myth
NashbarShorts said:Didn't Lance specifically state this in his 1st book? That they dropped him, or had an option to re-sign him but walked after initially saying he was their guy?
I could go to the library and look it up, but it might induce nausea. I hate feeling queasy.
Benotti69 said:well read Walsh's book about the cofidis affair and see it from their side. they stood by him all through his illness and he got paid in full for basically doing nothing and then lied in his book, but you know Pharmastrong Inc don't let truth get in the way of myth.
blackcat said:Bobby was LRP's coach no?
just a good excuse for me to use the acronym LRP
bobbins said:blackcat said:Bobby was LRP's coach no?
just a good excuse for me to use the acronym LRP
He looks after Froome.
del1962 said:bobbins said:blackcat said:Bobby was LRP's coach no?
just a good excuse for me to use the acronym LRP
He looks after Froome.
I presume you mean looked after as now he works for Olga