Bomb in Oslo

[kjetilraknerud]

I guess none of us are safe anymore.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515

 

[Cobblestones]

I guess none of us are safe anymore.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14252515

I saw the news. It looks terrible. Lot's of people injured and several killed. I feel very sorry for everybody.

My guess is you'd have to look for a group connected to or sympathizing with Libya. Dropping hundreds of bombs on Libya will not make your own country safer no matter what the elites say.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

I agree with you on the possible Libya connection.

 

[Cobblestones]

I agree with you on the possible Libya connection.

I just was in Oslo two months ago. Nobody talked about the war in Libya. It was really strange. You have a country which really hasn't participated in a war since, I guess 1945. Only 'peacekeeping' missions, or 'nation building' exercises such as Afghanistan.

Let's keep honest. Libya, isn't a 'no fly zone'. It's an all out war against their government and it has been from the get go. I have no idea why the Norwegians jumped on it except that it drives up the oil price, so I guess the bombs will pay for themselves and then some.

Concerning terrorism, it has always looked a bit shaky to me that the parliament, the royal castle and almost all of the government buildings are so accessible. You could drive a van straight up to any of those places and pull the trigger before there's any kind of reaction. There aren't even any barriers. The (old?) US embassy used to be much more protected than any of the Norwegian government buildings. Well, I guess that's going to change now.

 

[rhubroma]

I saw the news. It looks terrible. Lot's of people injured and several killed. I feel very sorry for everybody.

My guess is you'd have to look for a group connected to or sympathizing with Libya. Dropping hundreds of bombs on Libya will not make your own country safer no matter what the elites say.

Bad news. Such is the world of continued giving "checks" and receiving tough "paybacks."

 

[kjetilraknerud]

I just was in Oslo two months ago. Nobody talked about the war in Libya. It was really strange. You have a country which really hasn't participated in a war since, I guess 1945. Only 'peacekeeping' missions, or 'nation building' exercises such as Afghanistan.

Let's keep honest. Libya, isn't a 'no fly zone'. It's an all out war against their government and it has been from the get go. I have no idea why the Norwegians jumped on it except that it drives up the oil price, so I guess the bombs will pay for themselves and then some.

Concerning terrorism, it has always looked a bit shaky to me that the parliament, the royal castle and almost all of the government buildings are so accessible. You could drive a van straight up to any of those places and pull the trigger before there's any kind of reaction. There aren't even any barriers. The (old?) US embassy used to be much more protected than any of the Norwegian government buildings. Well, I guess that's going to change now.

The participation in Libya is heavily debated on the political arena, but I don't think average Joe uses much energy on it. Most people probably thinks of Libya as just another NATO operation - which it isn't.

And yes, the US embassy has been the only building under heavy security for years. The only place in Oslo you see guards with armed weapons - not counting 19 year olds outside the royal palace.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

There is now several reports of shooting against the summer camp of the Social Democratic Party's youth organization. Strange.

 

[Cobblestones]

And yes, the US embassy has been the only building under heavy security for years. The only place in Oslo you see guards with armed weapons - not counting 19 year olds outside the royal palace.

The same who try to flee out of the window when the alarm sounds?

Btw. has the embassy moved finally? I hadn't any chance to visit it in May (Giro was going on )

 

[ChrisE]

I saw the news. It looks terrible. Lot's of people injured and several killed. I feel very sorry for everybody.

My guess is you'd have to look for a group connected to or sympathizing with Libya. Dropping hundreds of bombs on Libya will not make your own country safer no matter what the elites say.

I will not tolerate the criticism of freedom bombs/drones. Why do you hate freedom?

 

[kjetilraknerud]

The same who try to flee out of the window when the alarm sounds?

Btw. has the embassy moved finally? I hadn't any chance to visit it in May (Giro was going on )

That's the "soldiers" I'm talking about, yes

No new embassy yet, they start working on it in August - supposed to be finihed in 2014. Lots of protesting, since the location is in the middle of a relatively peaceful part of Oslo, but the decision is final now.

 

[Hairy Wheels]

I will not tolerate the criticism of freedom bombs/drones. Why do you hate freedom?

I agree! I mean, don't these people know that freedom isn't free? It has to be paid for with the oil money of the barbarians and mud people!

 

[Cobblestones]

I agree! I mean, don't these people know that freedom isn't free? It has to be paid for with the oil money of the barbarians and mud people!

They're called 'fjeldaber' (mountain monkeys).

 

[kjetilraknerud]

I agree! I mean, don't these people know that freedom isn't free? It has to be paid for with the oil money of the barbarians and mud people!

Thanks for that intelligent analysis of our true personality.

 

[rhubroma]

Another explanation could be the vignettes against Mohamed. On Morgenavensen. According the latest reports a previously unknown group called Supporters of Global Jihad would be behind the acts.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The accessibility of everywhere in Oslo is one of the most beautiful things about it. It's a wonderful city and one I totally fell in love with. I was walking down past where the bomb went off recently. It always makes you feel a bit uncomfortable, a bit unsafe when you hear of these things, no matter how far away you may be at the time.

Stay safe, everybody.

 

[Cerberus]

Another explanation could be the vignettes against Mohamed. On Morgenavensen. According the latest reports a previously unknown group called Supporters of Global Jihad would be behind the acts.

That's the obvious first guess, but there's two things that makes me think this is not an islamicterror attack. First the targeting seems political, Islamic terrorist are usually against random civilians. Also they've arrested a guy dressed as a police officer who's been shooting people at a left wing summercamp (governement is also left wing) and he's white. Certainly it's possible he's a convert who doesn't play by the same playbook i expect, but it does seems political. A right wing extremist, or for that matter a left wing one who feels the moderates have betrayed the cause.

 

[zapata]

Now they're saying up to thirty youngsters are shot and killed at Utøya. That breaks my heart.

 

[Hairy Wheels]

Thanks for that intelligent analysis of our true personality.

Wasn't referring to Norwegians per se, just those who think that bombing solves problems. Maybe that's you, I don't know. Think about it a while.

 

[rhubroma]

That's the obvious first guess, but there's two things that makes me think this is not an islamicterror attack. First the targeting seems political, Islamic terrorist are usually against random civilians. Also they've arrested a guy dressed as a police officer who's been shooting people at a left wing summercamp (governement is also left wing) and he's white. Certainly it's possible he's a convert who doesn't play by the same playbook i expect, but it does seems political. A right wing extremist, or for that matter a left wing one who feels the moderates have betrayed the cause.

Well the two political objectives would support your suspiscion. The left wing youth group is, in fact, perplexing, if Islamic terrorism is indeed the culprit.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

The accessibility of everywhere in Oslo is one of the most beautiful things about it. It's a wonderful city and one I totally fell in love with. I was walking down past where the bomb went off recently. It always makes you feel a bit uncomfortable, a bit unsafe when you hear of these things, no matter how far away you may be at the time.

Stay safe, everybody.

Kind of makes chills run up your spine I bet.

Blasted bombers. What a mess. Fortunately there weren't more ppl killed or injured. Sorry for those that were.

 

[zapata]

Prime minister is from the labour party, and the camp is the youth organization of the same labour party. The shooter is reportedly blond, nordic looking. Most likely it's some extra-****ed up neo-nazists, mcveigh-type. Christ. These kids are like fourteen years old some of them. Jumping in the water, trying to swim to the mainland. Heartbreaking.

 

[rhubroma]

Prime minister is from the labour party, and the camp is the youth organization of the same labour party. The shooter is reportedly blond, nordic looking. Most likely it's some extra-****ed up neo-nazists, mcveigh-type. Christ. These kids are like fourteen years old some of them. Jumping in the water, trying to swim to the mainland. Heartbreaking.

What's the prime minister done to anger the Nazis, apart from being from the left?

 

[zapata]

What's the prime minister done to anger the Nazis, apart from being from the left?

They've got the shooter in custody, so I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

[Cobblestones]

Well the two political objectives would support your suspiscion. The left wing youth group is, in fact, perplexing, if Islamic terrorism is indeed the culprit.

I would be astonished if it's a Timothy McVeigh type act (I mean the motivation, not the actual bomb which likely was a car/van bomb). Norway was occupied by Nazi Germany, Quisling and all. That kind of history tends to discourage neo-nazi like groups.

The terror against the Labor party youth camp might not be so perplexing, considering that the Labor prime minister Stoltenberg is the main figure behind the actions in Libya.


Another idea, completely unrelated: Norway meddled quite a bit in Sri Lanka. The Tamils felt pretty much screwed in the end IIRC. It would come a bit late, so I don't think its very likely. Just an idea.

ETA: I just read about the youth camp. That's barbaric. My sympathies to everyone affected.

 

[rhubroma]

I would be astonished if it's a Timothy McVeigh type act (I mean the motivation, not the actual bomb which likely was a car/van bomb). Norway was occupied by Nazi Germany, Quisling and all. That kind of history tends to discourage neo-nazi like groups.

The terror against the Labor party youth camp might not be so perplexing, considering that the Labor prime minister Stoltenberg is the main figure behind the actions in Libya.


Another idea, completely unrelated: Norway meddled quite a bit in Sri Lanka. The Tamils felt pretty much screwed in the end IIRC. It would come a bit late, so I don't think its very likely. Just an idea.

ETA: I just read about the youth camp. That's barbaric. My sympathies to everyone affected.

This still doesn't explain the nordic characteristics of the guy they've taken into custody. If indeed the description is accurate.