I have a question, there is this hill climb thing in the UK going on, it seems to be pretty popular, I don't want to condemn somebody, but the wattage those guys are putting out is just ridicolous. I read that one who won it a couple of years ago was putting out 8 watts per kg for 4:30 or something, thats just crazy. Sure, there is no 170 km before the effort but if you look at guys in the tour, for mur de bretagne in 2011 chris horner was putting out 7,1 w/kg and last year yates was putting out 7,5 watts per kg for round about the same duration and those hill climb guys do 40 watts more, even with a few hours of hiding in the bunch they probably should put a fair amount of watts. I don't get it, why are those amateurs so good, and why is no team picking them up, not saying that a world tour team should pick them but at least continental ? whats going on there?