Cadel Evans on 2012 TdF favorites : No contador among the main contenders??

[nobilis]

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=44261

I don't know what he has been smoking lately.

His tips for the win would be Martin, Velits, Leipheimer, Wiggins, or A. Schleck?

And when questionned about Contador, he answered that this year proved that he wasn't invincible and that it would be more complicated for him to win again since he didn't win this year.

I really don't know what to say.

 

[just some guy]

it could be a bad translation ?

We have discussed this a little already

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/10/news/confident-cadel-evans-focused-on-defending-tour-de-france-title_195879

He lists Contador as a fav in this article so who knows

as all have said if it is not a bad translation Crazy

 

[miguelvazpinto]

Or it´s a matter of mind gaming. Evans knows that Contador is a top contender eventually the main one, followed by himself, Wiggins and probably Dennis Menchov. But I agree that could be a translation´s problem. However the references to Tony Martin, Peter Velits and Levi Leipheimer (three from the same team) are strange. Unless he was talking only about TT stages. I don´t know...but as I said it could be a mind game tactic. What do you think?

 

[Publicus]

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=44261

I don't know what he has been smoking lately.

His tips for the win would be Martin, Velits, Leipheimer, Wiggins, or A. Schleck?

And when questionned about Contador, he answered that this year proved that he wasn't invincible and that it would be more complicated for him to win again since he didn't win this year.

I really don't know what to say.

This is the second or third time I've seen a competitor or DS say something to this effect. I think it's a bit of a mind game--it's not as if they don't realize he rode and destroyed the field in the Giro on a much tougher course and combined with his early bad luck he only managed to get . . . fifth. I think they also know that CAS is their only hope of marginalizing him in 2012. So I wouldn't read too much into it.

That being said, AC would be the first one to tell you he's neither invincible nor guaranteed to win this or any other race.

 

[Forunculo]

Or it´s a matter of mind gaming. Evans knows that Contador is a top contender eventually the main one, followed by himself, Wiggins and probably Dennis Menchov. But I agree that could be a translation´s problem. However the references to Tony Martin, Peter Velits and Levi Leipheimer (three from the same team) are strange. Unless he was talking only about TT stages. I don´t know...but as I said it could be a mind game tactic. What do you think?

With 9 months to July a mind game sounds strange for me.

Contador mental strenght is out of any doubt. A little mind game from Evans is a joke. In addition, I read some interwievs and listen his reception in Australia and I didn't see him being polite to Contador, something about how bad *** was for dropped him at Galibier. Probably was the joy and exciting to be in front of his fans. But he must be careful, Contador as current champion, defended with honor his status, Cadel should do the same next year as Tour winner.

 

[cineteq]

I think Evans read this, and he decided to discard Contador as a favorite:
Contador tips Evans as favourite in 2012 Tour de France

 

[The Hitch]

With 9 months to July a mind game sounds strange for me.

Contador mental strenght is out of any doubt. A little mind game from Evans is a joke. In addition, I read some interwievs and listen his reception in Australia and I didn't see him being polite to Contador, something about how bad *** was for dropped him at Galibier. Probably was the joy and exciting to be in front of his fans. But he must be careful, Contador as current champion, defended with honor his status, Cadel should do the same next year as Tour winner.

When did Cadel have his reception in Australia? I wanted to see how many fans would turn up when he returned.

Do you have any links to him saying that?

 

[Forunculo]

When did Cadel have his reception in Australia? I wanted to see how many fans would turn up when he returned.

Do you have any links to him saying that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baxrg7hKDNM

It was near 2 month ago, I remember there were interviews but I'm unable right know to find them.

I think in this video he talk a little about that stage 18 but it was in an interview he told he was glad Contador was at Tour because he think his win has legitimacy because if Bert wasn't there people can think he win because he was not there (True) but later he added that he beated him at Galibier stage because his amazing climb (half true). He take Andy 2 min but Voeckler managed to hold his wheel and Contador cracked because his poor form and fatigue. In my opinion it's not polite to fancy about Contador drop. He was in his country and maybe was excited becuase people around him but it was a little arrogance of the old Cadel Evans before his won at Worlds.

It's something in line with this sentence about Tdf 2012 contenders, undervalue Contador in same way. But this can be a misstranslation.

 

[ferryman]

Evans is a strange one alright.

If AC dodges the bullet in November, if I was Cadel I would be showing a little more respect. A fully fit and fresh AND angry Contador is a scary scary adversary. Ask Lance

 

[Midnightfright]

Well the chances of CAS having the Contador case sorted by next July is laughable and the chances of him being punished is looking unlikely anyway so Cadel may end up with pie in his face.

 

[theyoungest]

Come on, everyone knows that Peter Velits has more chance of winning the Tour than Alberto Contador.

 

[jens_attacks]

don't know,maybe he was still drunk after that paris night with hincapie and co.
i like all of them(velits,martin and levi) but if contador goes just one time on bales or peyresoude or toussuire hell even on belles filles,it's all over for all three of them.
can't take cadel serious on that one.

 

[hfer07]

when I read the Article, I was laughing at Evan's sudden "optimism"-because the same attitude happened to Sastre right after he won his TDF-and we know what happened when July came along... Evans feels clever trying to play mind tricks on Contador- but he knows better Alberto outsmarted the master of mind tricks-in his on territory & with all the odds against him, back in 09- what does Evans have in that department against Contador? has Cuddles forgotten that the Spaniard got beaten this year because of stage 1 & the fact that he had just won the hardest Giro? IF Contador is allowed to ride- he should think twice what comes out of his mouth, because no matter how strong BMC will be next year, he might choke on those words, if the Spaniard concentrates 100% in the Tour...

 

[auscyclefan94]

This thread is a complete epic fail. Poor translation. evans mentioned contador. Some people...

Also, when Contador and Riis plays a mind game it's alright, when it's Evans he's arrogant, immature, etc. Sad really.

 

[Zoncolan]

So he's being unrealistically optimistic. So what?
That's what the sponsors and fans expect him to say. I doubt he's that delusional to think he could actually beat an on form/injury/crash free Contador.
He won this year with some luck (Contador spent and A. Schleck not attacking in Pyrenees) and he might win next if AC is not there.

 

[El Pistolero]

This thread is a complete epic fail. Poor translation. evans mentioned contador. Some people...

Also, when Contador and Riis plays a mind game it's alright, when it's Evans he's arrogant, immature, etc. Sad really.

He didn't mention Contador. A journalist had to ask "and Contador?"

And then Evans said I don't know what to think of him anymore. If you lose it's hard to turn that around, the same is true when you're winning blablabla

He's delusional. It's like saying Gilbert isn't a favorite anymore for the hilly classics. Just admit, he said something stupid regardless of who'll win next year.

Contador just said Evans was the top favorite. Of course he doesn't believe that him self, but he still regards Evans as a big favorite(top favorite being Contador obviously).

 

[Zam_Olyas]

This thread is a complete epic fail. Poor translation. evans mentioned contador. Some people...

Also, when Contador and Riis plays a mind game it's alright, when it's Evans he's arrogant, immature, etc. Sad really.

not to include contador as a contender is the point folks are talking about.

 

[auscyclefan94]

“I was the favorite for me in 2011 as well, but not so many people spoke of me as the favorite (in 2011). Now everyone is calling me the favorite next year,” Evans said with a laugh.

“For me, and a few other time trialists, I think it’s open for riders like (Bradley) Wiggins and (Levi) Leipheimer. (Alberto) Contador is also a favorite. In his first victory, there were over 100km of time trials in that year."

So lets get this straight, he finds it funny that everyone is calling him the favourite. He said it's open for time trial riders like Wiggins which everyone has been saying on this forum. He acknowledges Contador as a favourite and acknowledges that in his first victory he won when there was more ITT km's than next years edition. Is that clear enough for you all?

Anyway, if any of you think Contador is such a certainty next year you are seriously kidding yourselves.

 

[nobilis]

This thread is a complete epic fail. Poor translation. evans mentioned contador. Some people...

Also, when Contador and Riis plays a mind game it's alright, when it's Evans he's arrogant, immature, etc. Sad really.

acf, in your signature, was diggercuz being sarcastic or he meant that, about being unbiased and stuff. I'm even more consued than when i had to read what came out of cuddles' mouth. Good for him he was lucky enough to win the tour this year because he won't see it anymore. ANd i think that a BMC team packed with starts could be as bad as a BMC full of nobodies.

 

[auscyclefan94]

acf, in your signature, was diggercuz being sarcastic or he meant that, about being unbiased and stuff. I'm even more consued than when i had to read what came out of cuddles' mouth. Good for him he was lucky enough to win the tour this year because he won't see it anymore. ANd i think that a BMC team packed with starts could be as bad as a BMC full of nobodies.

Saying Evans was 'lucky enough' to win the Tour is very insulting. He deserved that victory and other than Contador I don't think yo could really say anyone else would have won this year. The word respect is also been thrown around a bit on here. Maybe some of YOU people could respect the tour champion...

 

[angwy82]

This thread is a complete epic fail. Poor translation. evans mentioned contador. Some people...

Also, when Contador and Riis plays a mind game it's alright, when it's Evans he's arrogant, immature, etc. Sad really.

Agreed.

Most of the people on this thread seem to be Contador crazy. Of course he's a better GC rider. That's because most of the GCs are decided in the mountains. Evans is a more well-rounded rider than Contador, but Contador is clearly the better 3 week rider.

By the way, in 2010 when Evans crashed and was injured, he didn't get the same pass that Contador got this year.

 

[nobilis]

Agreed.

Most of the people on this thread seem to be Contador crazy. Of course he's a better GC rider. That's because most of the GCs are decided in the mountains. Evans is a more well-rounded rider than Contador, but Contador is clearly the better 3 week rider.

By the way, in 2010 when Evans crashed and was injured, he didn't get the same pass that Contador got this year.

I started the thread and I can tell you that I'm not Contador crazy.

 

[Angliru]

This thread is a complete epic fail. Poor translation. evans mentioned contador. Some people...

Also, when Contador and Riis plays a mind game it's alright, when it's Evans he's arrogant, immature, etc. Sad really.

Translation: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! LEAVE MY PRECIOUS CADEL ALONE!!"

 

[airstream]

I dont find it strange even though Evans told exactly like that. Evans is a stronger TT'er and if he will do both at this year level it will be extremely tough to beat him. To my mind, critisizing him for these words is close to considering that you understand cycling better. Very likely, that winning the TdF Evans is just getting audacious. He always lacked in self confidence a bit. I dont get too why everybody goes crazy about Contador so much. You have no doubt there will be the Verbier-2? Honestly I dont like both of them that's why my opinion is completely unbiased.

 

[ferryman]

Agreed.

Most of the people on this thread seem to be Contador crazy. Of course he's a better GC rider. That's because most of the GCs are decided in the mountains. Evans is a more well-rounded rider than Contador, but Contador is clearly the better 3 week rider.

By the way, in 2010 when Evans crashed and was injured, he didn't get the same pass that Contador got this year.

And the others seem to be Evans blind. I find this post a bit contradictory. In what sense is Evans a more rounded rider if as you cede that Contador is a far better GC rider (btw there is a separate thread over who is the better ITT rider if you are going to use that argument).

And just for the record, whilst a Contador fan I am no Evans hater by a long way. I was mega impressed in the way he won this year's TDF.