Campag/Shimano 11 wheel compatibility

[stutue]

I'm mulling over a new group set, but if I get Shimano it means new wheels too.

Any reason why I can't use a campag wheel and campag 11 cassette with 11 shimano group? I can't imagine it wouldn't work

 

[Master50]

I'm mulling over a new group set, but if I get Shimano it means new wheels too.

Any reason why I can't use a campag wheel and campag 11 cassette with 11 shimano group? I can't imagine it wouldn't work

Leonard Zinn has covered this over on Velonews. the 3 systems are compatible in 11 speed. In fact 1 trick for Shimano wheel owners or more accurately for people that own wheels with a 10 speed shimano freehub that can be swapped to a campy freehub. You can use a campy 11 speed cassette with your shimano gear changers. the advantage is you don't have to reddish your wheels to accommodate the Shimano 11 speed freehub.

 

[stutue]

Thanks, I suspected as much.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a Di2 upgrade last night, but then I thought 'why?'

 

[Master50]

Thanks, I suspected as much.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a Di2 upgrade last night, but then I thought 'why?'

because it is insanely cool?. I want EPS but it is ridiculous to upgrade my SR mechanical when it is insanely cool but if I was buying a new Group I would look for EPS.

Actually our next planned bike purchase will be a tandem and that just demands Di2 with hydraulic brakes. Ultegra would be my likely choice mostly because in Tandems, shimano offers more compatible options but I prefer my Ergo levers.
9 foot shift cable suck too.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

I'm mulling over a new group set, but if I get Shimano it means new wheels too.

Any reason why I can't use a campag wheel and campag 11 cassette with 11 shimano group? I can't imagine it wouldn't work

Much to their dismay, ctr cog spacing between the 2 are almost identical..so mix and match away. BUT I'd recommend a Campagnolo 11s group..

 

[Bustedknuckle]

because it is insanely cool?. I want EPS but it is ridiculous to upgrade my SR mechanical when it is insanely cool but if I was buying a new Group I would look for EPS.

Actually our next planned bike purchase will be a tandem and that just demands Di2 with hydraulic brakes. Ultegra would be my likely choice mostly because in Tandems, shimano offers more compatible options but I prefer my Ergo levers.
9 foot shift cable suck too.

I'd do a search about tandems and hydro disc brakes..more than a few failures out there...

 

[stutue]

Much to their dismay, ctr cog spacing between the 2 are almost identical..so mix and match away. BUT I'd recommend a Campagnolo 11s group..

Not pulling the trigger was because the only thing I could think about the 7800 DA it would replace is that the 'washing line' gear cables coming out of the shifters reflect lits of light back if you've got handlebar mounted lights.

Interested to know why you favour the Camp over Shimano?

I've not used either current kit, but have both 06 Record and 7800 DA (as well as ultegra and 105 bikes) and like it all.

The only current Campag I have is a crankset which works fine but is a little more fiddly to change bearings (which I suspect you know)

The only advantage I can think of is the serviceability of the Ergos (done the springs on mine 3 times)

 

[Master50]

I'd do a search about tandems and hydro disc brakes..more than a few failures out there...

And SRAM has a large number of problems with Hydraulic disks. You should see the trouble a brake cable break creates too. I am at least 2 years our for a tandem and maybe 3 so I figure the brakes will be as reliable as MTB disks by then.
Actually if you look hard enough I would think anything that breaks on a road bike breaks more often on a tandem.

 

[Oldman]

Thanks, I suspected as much.

I nearly pulled the trigger on a Di2 upgrade last night, but then I thought 'why?'

Only reason is to impress others. Tape money to your frame and enjoy riding...when you hit a coffee/beer stop you'll always be able to pick up the tab. That will make you more popular on rides and people will always stay with you.

 

[stutue]

I've not heard anybody I know who has it have anything bad to say about it. I suppose if you are starting out you might as well get it.

I'm not convinced I have enough of a problem with cables to warrant it, although I guess you wouldn't get any of the sticky cable shifting issues or PITA front mech woes.

However if you do get a problem with DI2 firstly it would be hard to diagnose and secondly may well result in having to change an entire element of the gear system...at great cost.

 

[Master50]

I've not heard anybody I know who has it have anything bad to say about it. I suppose if you are starting out you might as well get it.

I'm not convinced I have enough of a problem with cables to warrant it, although I guess you wouldn't get any of the sticky cable shifting issues or PITA front mech woes.

However if you do get a problem with DI2 firstly it would be hard to diagnose and secondly may well result in having to change an entire element of the gear system...at great cost.

Cost of the computer? yes it could be expensive but trouble shooting is not harder just different. In fact many very complex machines are generally easier to troubleshoot because of the computer(s) in them.
True that fixing them often is replacement of a component rather than a part.
Mind you if you ever crashed a brifter you might have gotten bit pretty hard if you could not buy just the broken one.

 

[stutue]

I'm thinking of the cost of the rear mech, really. Its not even as if you can opt for a lower priced model with much the same function, say wrecking a Dura-Ace and replacing it with 105.

I've got nothing against Di2, and if money was no object there is no reason not to have it.

I'm not a Luddite. Just not as rich as I'd like to be

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Not pulling the trigger was because the only thing I could think about the 7800 DA it would replace is that the 'washing line' gear cables coming out of the shifters reflect lits of light back if you've got handlebar mounted lights.

Interested to know why you favour the Camp over Shimano?

I've not used either current kit, but have both 06 Record and 7800 DA (as well as ultegra and 105 bikes) and like it all.

The only current Campag I have is a crankset which works fine but is a little more fiddly to change bearings (which I suspect you know)

The only advantage I can think of is the serviceability of the Ergos (done the springs on mine 3 times)

Reliability, maintainability, function of the shifters, ergonomics of the shifters. Longest at 11s(no, 11s isn't the answer, but Campagnolo is the innovator).

Better BBs, hubs, cranks, brakes..all around..I don't dislike shimano..I dislike sram..which is cheap crap.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Much to their dismay, ctr cog spacing between the 2 are almost identical..so mix and match away. BUT I'd recommend a Campagnolo 11s group..

Yep. I used the rear Campy wheel you built on with Di2 9070 yesterday and it worked flawlessly. They seem interchangeable to me. I'm going to try using a Shimano wheel with my Campy group next.

 

[stutue]

Well...no new group for me.

But I did get a pair of cheap 50mm carbon rims with 11s Shim hubs.

...using them with 10sp though

 

[SteveT]

Leonard Zinn has covered this over on Velonews. the 3 systems are compatible in 11 speed. In fact 1 trick for Shimano wheel owners or more accurately for people that own wheels with a 10 speed shimano freehub that can be swapped to a campy freehub. You can use a campy 11 speed cassette with your shimano gear changers. the advantage is you don't have to reddish your wheels to accommodate the Shimano 11 speed freehub.

Do you have a link to that article?
Do you mean I can put my Campag 11 speed wheels in my bike fitted with Ultegra 6800?

 

[Master50]

Do you have a link to that article?
Do you mean I can put my Campag 11 speed wheels in my bike fitted with Ultegra 6800?

yes all 11 speed cassette spacing is close enough to be compatible.

http://velonews.competitor.com you will have to do your own search. The article is 1 of Leonard Zinn's regular postings and I believe it is this year's too.

 

[SteveT]

yes all 11 speed cassette spacing is close enough to be compatible.

http://velonews.competitor.com you will have to do your own search. The article is 1 of Leonard Zinn's regular postings and I believe it is this year's too.

Thanks, not familiar with Velonews but I will find that.

 

[stutue]

By the way older Mavic 10sp hubs will take Shimano 11 as they were already longer...hence the need for a spacer with the 10 speed.