Can a clean rider beat dopers? - The poll

[Netserk]

What do you think?

 

[Netserk]

According to Tailwindhome's hypothesis at least half the forum should vote "Yes, I think he was doping". Otherwise he is wrong.

 

[mrhender]

Didn't Bassons say in his book that he was gifted the stage for political reasons? I don't have the book but someone who read it might clarify?

 

[Netserk]

Didn't Bassons say in his book that he was gifted the stage for political reasons? I don't have the book but someone who read it might clarify?

I don't know and it doesn't really change anything. It was a scenario where a clean (if you think so) rider won against dopers. It is possible.

 

[sniper]

aren't these two different questions?

1. I have no idea about Bassons
2. Yes, I think (in fact am sure) a clean rider can beat dopers

 

[hrotha]

If Bassons's win doesn't count for whatever reason, there's still other examples. Gilles Delion, for example.

 

[mrhender]

I think it is possible to win one day races and stages clean.

And if the the sun, moon and stars align it may even be possible to win minor stage races especially if the route is suited to the (clean) riders best abilities..

But I don't think a clean rider has won a GT for decades, or that it is possible today...

 

[Zerlozion]

What do you think?

Bassons. Clean as a whistle.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/jun99/dauphine997.html

Christophe Bassons (La Fran?aise des Jeux) then attacked at the 28 kms mark and was allowed to go because he was of no threat to the GC. With about 30 kms left before 3 finishing laps he had a 5 minute lead.

He did not give up and he went on to win by 1.19. A very strong ride indeed. Bassons, who is also 25 years old, trains at Brides-les-Bains in the Alpes. It is a facility run by former biathlete Lionel Laurent, who won the bronze medal for teams at the 1994 Winter Games in Lillehammer. There are special facilities in the hotel which simulate high altitude and thus allow the rider to boost their hematocrit levels without EPO.

Both Vinokourov and Bassons are part of a new generation of riders that provide a fresh image in the face of the doping scandals. Vinokourov said afterwards: "I was using this as preparation for the Tour. I am in good form but the Tour is over 3 weeks. My objective is to win a stage."

 

[Escarabajo]

I think it is possible to win one day races and stages clean.

And if the the sun, moon and stars align it may even be possible to win minor stage races especially if the route is suited to the (clean) riders best abilities..

But I don't think a clean rider has won a GT for decades, or that it is possible today...

+1.

There you go. Simply put.

 

[TailWindHome]

According to Tailwindhome's hypothesis at least half the forum should vote "Yes, I think he was doping". Otherwise he is wrong.

The fact that you've had to go back 15 years in an effort to find a racer winner the forum could get behind as a clean winner supports my hypothesis more than the result of your poll could ever refute it.

This really didn't require a second thread.

 

[Netserk]

The fact that you've had to go back 15 years in an effort to find a racer winner the forum could get behind as a clean winner supports my hypothesis more than the result of your poll could ever refute it.

This really didn't require a second thread.

As you can see pretty much everyone thinks a clean rider can win over dopers. There is no shared clinic opinion that clean riders can't beat dopers.

That doesn't support your hypothesis. Sorry try again.

How about you voted in the poll?

 

[skippythepinhead]

I choose "WTF"

 

[The Hitch]

Some of the beliebers may have to vote yes. Not because its suspicious that he beat dopers, but because its suspicious that he indirectly called out wiggins and froome in his book. Only jealous dopers that can't stand the fact that sky found a way to win clean would do that.

 

[The Hitch]

The fact that you've had to go back 15 years in an effort to find a racer winner the forum could get behind as a clean winner supports my hypothesis more than the result of your poll could ever refute it.

This really didn't require a second thread.

He went back to a time when there was no EPO test and Armstrong won his first TDF. And still he found a rider winning clean the clinic could get behind.

Anyway if the only think you can think of is "it was too long ago", then perhaps we do Dan Martin Lombardia and if not everyone says that he doped, you take your trolling to some other forum.

 

[the sceptic]

He went back to a time when there was no EPO test and Armstrong won his first TDF. And still he found a rider winning clean the clinic could get behind.

Anyway if the only think you can think of is "it was too long ago", then perhaps we do Dan Martin Lombardia and if not everyone says that he doped, you take your trolling to some other forum.

tailwindhome believes Froome can beat Armstrong clean, so I'm not sure he has much credibility on this topic.

I think he should take his tailwind and go home to bikeretard where he belongs.

 

[TailWindHome]

Anyway if the only think you can think of is "it was too long ago", then perhaps we do Dan Martin Lombardia and if not everyone says that he doped, you take your trolling to some other forum.

Fair enough

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=20473&page=75


I think my favourite is Dan Martin Bots = Sky Bots

 

[TailWindHome]

I think he should take his tailwind and go home to bikeretard where he belongs.

Let it go.

 

[Zerlozion]

I choose "WTF"

Exactly.

No, I think he was clean.

That option to think he was clean infers, to consider something likely or probable. To think gives reason or room for doubt. The option should be ; No, he was clean beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[The Hitch]

Fair enough

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=20473&page=75


I think my favourite is Dan Martin Bots = Sky Bots

I have no idea what any of that post is supposed to mean.

 

[benzwire]

Is this a valid poll without a Vino option?

 

[Netserk]

Is it not a Clinic maxim that clean riders can't beat dopers, or as it has been put before, every doper in the peloton?

I think the clinic has just answered you with a big NO.

 

[red_flanders]

Can a clean rider beat dopers?

Obviously yes. Clean Stannard dropped 3 dopers at the end of a flat race just yesterday.

 

[Benotti69]

Didn't Bassons say in his book that he was gifted the stage for political reasons? I don't have the book but someone who read it might clarify?

This. He was gifted the win.

 

[sniper]

Obviously yes. Clean Stannard dropped 3 dopers at the end of a flat race just yesterday.

sarcasm or really no doubts about Stannard?

 

[Escarabajo]

It has been proven that with bad tactics three stupid dopers can loose a race to a clean clean rider in today's peloton!!