Cardiac Anomalies - is something going on or is this normal?

[fmk_RoI]

I noted what seemed to be a geographic pattern (and carefully phrased it like that),

With all due respect, your phrasing was f-cking careless given searching the phrase cardiac arrest in the OP shows more than Benelux cases in recent fatalities.

Saying you didn't read anything into it is just so weasly. Of course you were reading something into it, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to point it out. MTFU and admit that much.

Given you didn't do the count properly, the pattern doesn't hold. Find some other dots to join.

 

[Netserk]

With all due respect, your phrasing was f-cking careless given searching the phrase cardiac arrest in the OP shows more than Benelux cases in recent fatalities.

Saying you didn't read anything into it is just so weasly. Of course you were reading something into it, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to point it out. MTFU and admit that much.

Given you didn't do the count properly, the pattern doesn't hold. Find some other dots to join.

So you admit that Colbrelli didn't have a cardiac arrest? Why then did you mention him?

I'll see if you can spot your own additional mistakes.

 

[laarsland]

Just re: pericarditis. Single data point, anecdotal evidence and that, but still. I ride about 450-500 hours a year and after having Covid last fall which lead to a month of heart arythmia afterwards, this spring I was diagnosed with pericarditis after probably having it recurrently for several months. Obviously I'm paniagua.

Will be interesting in due time to see what studies will say about impact of Covid/vaccines on these types of problems in athletes (and us mere exercising mortals).

 

[staubsauger]

Michael Goolaerts died in 2018. That was before either Covid-19 or the mRNA-vaccination. So I'm not fully convinced that is the main influence towards the heart diseases in cycling lately.

Of course @Netserk drew the similarity to the cases of Draaijer, Oosterbosch & Co. Whether it was intentional or not is his answer to give. But of course every cycling fan with some knowledge just thinks about those incidents and the rumored EPO cause when these coronaries seems to happen frequently again in cycling.

 

[laarsland]

Not implying there is a major effect, but a small yet significant one of the recent pandemic. Trusting science to conduct the proper studies in time.

Wesley Kreder now with reported serious issues as well.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Wesley Kreder

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701890809803505679

View: https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1701890809803505679?t=2kl764JL6pvEBbNMirdWUQ&s=19

 

[fmk_RoI]

So you admit that Colbrelli didn't have a cardiac arrest? Why then did you mention him?

Let me get this clear: you are saying that Colbrelli did not suffer a cardiac arrest, yes?

You know what, save me the annoyance of answering that question, I'm low on Neurofen. I'll edit the entry instead, just to help you.

On the other matter: there are - or, before its most recent edit, there were - nine cases of identified cardiac arrest/heart attack specifically mentioned in the OP. Not all of these came from the Beneulux countries. Even if we narrow the list down to identified cases of cardiac arrest/heart attack in the last, say, five years, not all of these came from the Benelux countries. Even if we limit ourselves further and look only at 2022-2023 cases, not all of these came from the Benelux countries. . Your "carefully phrased" claim that "the cardiac arrests of pro cyclists are all from Benelux" was and continues to be as inaccurate as it was careless.

 

[Netserk]

Let me get this clear: you are saying that Colbrelli did not suffer a cardiac arrest, yes?

You are free to quote your source where it says so.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Of course @Netserk drew the similarity to the cases of Draaijer, Oosterbosch & Co.

None of which are mentioned in the OP referred to (for bloody good reasons) but, hey, never let facts get in the way of saying the first thing that comes into your mind.

But of course every cycling fan with some knowledge just thinks about those incidents and the rumored EPO cause when these coronaries seems to happen frequently again in cycling.

I know I'm an eternal optimist, but at this stage of the game I really would hope that if not every cycling fan then certainly most cycling fans know just how much bullcrap there is in the myth of the EPO deaths.

 

[fmk_RoI]

You are free to quote your source where it says so.

I do like it when people double down like this.

So, we're clear: Netserk says Sonny Colbrelli did not have a heart attack. It must be true.

 

[Netserk]

I do like it when people double down like this.

So, we're clear: Netserk says Sonny Colbrelli did not have a heart attack. It must be true.

Your claim now in the OP that he did. Yet you link to a source that make no mention of it.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Your claim now in the OP that he did. Yet you link to a source that make no mention of it.

From the linked article:

Doctors have confirmed that Sonny Colbrelli suffered an unstable cardiac arrhythmia that required defibrillators for immediate treatment following his collapse at the finish line of stage 1 at the Volta a Catalunya Monday.

If anyone has any Nuerofen to spare, please, I'm serious, I'm all out at this end and this is clearly going to get more painful yet.

 

[fmk_RoI]

If anyone wants to actually contribute something useful: was there a recent case after Jan Polanc in May? I vaguely recall seeing a case mentioned somewhere and being too busy with other things to update the list.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I do like it when people double down like this.

So, we're clear: Netserk says Sonny Colbrelli did not have a heart attack. It must be true.

Too be fair, cardiac arrest and a heart attack are two different things. Colbrelli had a cardiac arrest which is why he had to get defibrillated to get out of the fatal rhythm. The rhythm was either ventricular tachycardia without a pulse or ventricular fibrillation. A heart attack is when one of the coronary arteries becomes blocked by a clot and that piece of the heart stops receiving oxygen.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Too be fair, cardiac arrest and a heart attack are two different things.

TBF, if Dr Netserk knows the difference between the two I'd be f'ing surprised.

I have, lazily I know, used the the terms interchanageably when referring to Colbrelli, mostly correctly calling it a cardiac arrest, once without thinking calling it a heart attack ("Nurse! I need that Neurofen! Stat!").

WRT the cases in the OP, given the sources, I'm not sure the distinction is noted when sources mention either and we must allow a certain amount of interchangeability between the two. Or else clumsily refer to 'cardiac arrest/heart attack' unless we specifically know which one it really was. Let the situation and the sources decide what level of looseness of language is acceptable.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Wesley Kreder

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701890809803505679

View: https://twitter.com/TeamCOFIDIS/status/1701890809803505679?t=2kl764JL6pvEBbNMirdWUQ&s=19

Its a bit sad that this news is buried in the clinic & hasn't been posted elsewhere.

 

[pastronef]

Its a bit sad that this news is buried in the clinic & hasn't been posted elsewhere.

Cofidis just gave the news today, after 2 weeks

 

[fmk_RoI]

Its a bit sad that this news is buried in the clinic

Such sensitive choice of language

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Its a bit sad that this news is buried in the clinic & hasn't been posted elsewhere.

I put it in news thread

 

[Izzyeviel]

I put it in news thread

In fairness I thought it was old news. If its new news, thats more understandable.

 

[fmk_RoI]

As a rule, I do think CN reports this stuff better than others, providing the right context:

Kreder is the first of two WorldTour pros to suffer serious health ailments in the past two weeks, with Nathan Vanhooydonck (Jumbo-Visma) more recently collapsing while driving and having to be resuscitated.

A 2022 study by the Smidt Heart Institute at Cedars-Sinai found that heart attacks have increased since the COVID-19 pandemic with the steepest rise in the 25-44 age group during the surge in cases of the Omicron variant (Yeo et al. Journal of Medical Virology, Volume 95, Issue 1, January 2023).

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[Ilmaestro99]

Former junior Paris roubaix winner Jarno Mobach, 25, is retiring from professional cycling due to cardiac arrhytmias.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706587231274598593

View: https://twitter.com/WielerFlits/status/1706587231274598593?t=BSJ-N_3wWDZKXdVGlpFrZw&s=19