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Taxus4a said:damian13ster said:Ramon Koran said:I seem to remember him saying he was aiming to do the vuelta as well, if so he wont peak before week 3.
Would be hilarious if he managed to do the double, without all of that PR crap. Done previously only by 2 riders in history and not since 1978 so 20 years longer than Giro- Tour (6 cyclists have done that). Doubt the Tour winner will ride the Vuelta though
Very difficult to do the double Tour-Vuelta the same year, becouse in the Vuelta are better contenders than in the Giro, but this is a question that depend on every year...some year could be amazing to be second in the Giro and other year coudl be not very impressive to win. And the Vuelta the same.
But is expecially difficult the first year, now Froome has experience and he is a best rider, so he caqn be at a similar level than in the Tour. Landa or Purito could put him in some problems on the mountains, but he has the ITT at the end, it is a very good ITT for him, it is a route I use to ride. Later thre are some tactical stages, but if he has a minute after the ITT he should win.
For people that came from le Giro as Landa an Aru Vuelta shoudl be less demanding, but he can.
Nobody has won Tour-Vuelta. it would be historic.. but as i said that kind of stedistics are not important, palmares, doubles, importante is how somebody win... I remember Indurain not becouse he won 5 Tour or 3 giros, but becouse he put big difference to his rivals, he showed hewan the best, and you can show that in just one year, althoug other riders got more victories.
Jspear said:Taxus4a said:damian13ster said:Ramon Koran said:I seem to remember him saying he was aiming to do the vuelta as well, if so he wont peak before week 3.
Would be hilarious if he managed to do the double, without all of that PR crap. Done previously only by 2 riders in history and not since 1978 so 20 years longer than Giro- Tour (6 cyclists have done that). Doubt the Tour winner will ride the Vuelta though
Very difficult to do the double Tour-Vuelta the same year, becouse in the Vuelta are better contenders than in the Giro, but this is a question that depend on every year...some year could be amazing to be second in the Giro and other year coudl be not very impressive to win. And the Vuelta the same.
But is expecially difficult the first year, now Froome has experience and he is a best rider, so he caqn be at a similar level than in the Tour. Landa or Purito could put him in some problems on the mountains, but he has the ITT at the end, it is a very good ITT for him, it is a route I use to ride. Later thre are some tactical stages, but if he has a minute after the ITT he should win.
For people that came from le Giro as Landa an Aru Vuelta shoudl be less demanding, but he can.
Nobody has won Tour-Vuelta. it would be historic.. but as i said that kind of stedistics are not important, palmares, doubles, importante is how somebody win... I remember Indurain not becouse he won 5 Tour or 3 giros, but becouse he put big difference to his rivals, he showed hewan the best, and you can show that in just one year, althoug other riders got more victories.
Anquetil and Hinault have.
Yep, great position for Froome, if he avoids crashing till TTT, then it will depend only on his real (climbing) form.Looks better than I thought.Pricey_sky said:Still a really long way to go but not even I could have imagined Froome would be in this position after the cobbled stage. I thought he would be behind at this point and needing to gain time but instead we have:
Froome
TVG + 13
Uran + 34
Contador +36
Nibali + 1.38
Valverde 1.51
Quintana +1.56
Purito + 2.00
With the rest over 3 minutes and more behind.
ILovecycling said:Yep, great position for Froome, if he avoids crashing till TTT, then it will depend only on his real (climbing) form.Looks better than I thought.Pricey_sky said:Still a really long way to go but not even I could have imagined Froome would be in this position after the cobbled stage. I thought he would be behind at this point and needing to gain time but instead we have:
Froome
TVG + 13
Uran + 34
Contador +36
Nibali + 1.38
Valverde 1.51
Quintana +1.56
Purito + 2.00
With the rest over 3 minutes and more behind.
Pantani Attacks said:That probability graphic is absolutely hilarious in how flawed it is!
Pricey_sky said:Still a really long way to go but not even I could have imagined Froome would be in this position after the cobbled stage. I thought he would be behind at this point and needing to gain time but instead we have:
Froome
TVG + 13
Uran + 34
Contador +36
Nibali + 1.38
Valverde 1.51
Quintana +1.56
Purito + 2.00
With the rest over 3 minutes and more behind.
Brullnux said:Tour-Vuelta is hard. You only have 3 weeks to recover, something which is even more of a factor this year with so many big mountain stages in week 2. Froome won't do it unless he has to, i.e a DNF in the tour or not a podium. If he wins it then I doubt very much him going to the Vuelta.
Pricey_sky said:I don't get this about Froome still wanting to go to the Veulta because of the iTT, he has said after stage 1 he has hardly spent any time on the TT bike this year as there is no point.
If he goes to the Vuelta (which I doubt he will unless he abandons Tour) then it will be to test himself and go for the glory.
Pricey_sky said:Still a really long way to go but not even I could have imagined Froome would be in this position after the cobbled stage. I thought he would be behind at this point and needing to gain time but instead we have:
Froome
TVG + 13
Uran + 34
Contador +36
Nibali + 1.38
Valverde 1.51
Quintana +1.56
Purito + 2.00
With the rest over 3 minutes and more behind.
maybe he'll share some of his champagne with you on the way into Paris??bikinggirl said:Arnout said:How can one watch Froome ride a bike without getting physically ill? Need advice.
There are any!
movingtarget said:Pricey_sky said:Still a really long way to go but not even I could have imagined Froome would be in this position after the cobbled stage. I thought he would be behind at this point and needing to gain time but instead we have:
Froome
TVG + 13
Uran + 34
Contador +36
Nibali + 1.38
Valverde 1.51
Quintana +1.56
Purito + 2.00
With the rest over 3 minutes and more behind.
It's worked really well so far for Froome. Sky did a great team job for Froome especially Thomas over the final kms. Most of the GC contenders seemed just happy to survive and only Nibali was trying to get a gap and get off the front even though Froome and Thomas had a gap towards the finish but no one was serlous about really pushing on.
Except for Pinot's collapse due to mechanicals mainly, the stage was pretty undramatic. Sky handed off the jersey and Martin got a popular win. If Froome gets to the mountain in the same position he will obviously be very happy. I think the cobbles every few years is not a bad thing but as yesterday's stage showed, even the cobbles won't always make for a dramatic stage.
Taxus4a said:Brullnux said:Tour-Vuelta is hard. You only have 3 weeks to recover, something which is even more of a factor this year with so many big mountain stages in week 2. Froome won't do it unless he has to, i.e a DNF in the tour or not a podium. If he wins it then I doubt very much him going to the Vuelta.
Froome said to the Vuelta he will be there if there is a normal ITT, and there is one, 39 Km at the end, the minimun a serious race has to put, except as this year, le Tour has windy stages, cobbles, etc.. in first week.
Pinot would have prefered lees first week and 50 km ITt at the end, becouse he did very well last year in that ITT, and he showed this year he is not bad in ITT... but this stages where you must to be well posistioning always you depend too much of the team and in general are no good for pure climbers, although Quintana and Purito are do'ing very well.
I dindt know Purito wanst in the Vuelta, as he help to design hard Andorra stage...
To double seriously Tour-Vuelta to fight in both of them for GC is demanding, and he is not so young now.
With Quintana, Landa, Froome, Aru, Batancur (who is recovered) and for sure others competitive riders who are now in le Tour, will be a great race. For Saxo.. maybe Majka? He wasted all the team in that media campaign Giro-Tour double
it will depend on many things quintana's form included. if nairito steps up compared to the 2013 tour, that will be very difficult for froome to hold his 2 min lead. nibali's condition is under big doubt. bertie - i don't know. this year doesnt look like the season he can reach a tip top form (thus far). i fear the giro required a far larger effort than plannedILoveCycling said:if he avoids crashing till TTT, then it will depend only on his real (climbing) form.Looks better than I thought.
Taxus4a said:And suddenly, with 9 Km, FROOME ATTACKED, ´really strong attack, but Van Avermaet is an strong rider for a stage with cobbles and almost an sprinter so he managed to chase him, although no easy, but without that froome could have done the same than Tony but from far, Sagan alone impossible to chase him, with more people working, maybe yes, but it would have been really funny.
He is not just the stronger rider I have seen race in the time I was watching cycling this last 30 years , but the more brave and amazing, he try things maybe without lot of sense, but full of ambition.