Chris Horner is overlooked

[NashbarShorts]

Horner, Top 15 as Cadel's lieutenant. No thank you from Lotto, still underpaid.
Now, Top 10 while carrying a geriatric Lance in 2010.

Makes the statement that he hopes Bruyneel lets him ride his own race in 2011.
Instead, today Bruyneel states Jani will be Top 5, and Levi/Kloden will also be GC men.

No mention of Horner.
Yet another reason to think Bruyneel is a total piece of trash

 

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If Radioshack was invited to more races, he would be in a better position. But, it's a Euro sport, and Horner is not Euro.

 

[theyoungest]

Horner, Top 15 as Cadel's lieutenant. No thank you from Lotto, still underpaid.
Now, Top 10 while carrying a geriatric Lance in 2010.

Makes the statement that he hopes Bruyneel lets him ride his own race in 2011.
Instead, today Bruyneel states Jani will be Top 5, and Levi/Kloden will also be GC men.

No mention of Horner.
Yet another reason to think Bruyneel is a total piece of trash

There's no way any of these guys (including Horner) will be top-5, but yeah, why not give Horner a chance. He seems to get better with age, Leipheimer and Klöden are definitely over the hill. And Brajkovic will fade away after a week or two.

 

[The Hitch]

I like Horner. Great rider. TBF the top 10 came because he was helping Lance. They made him go into the break to get Lance the stage, and what do you know, he gets 10 minutes.

I hope they let him ride a gt if they get invited.

 

[hfer07]

Horner, Top 15 as Cadel's lieutenant. No thank you from Lotto, still underpaid.
Now, Top 10 while carrying a geriatric Lance in 2010.

Makes the statement that he hopes Bruyneel lets him ride his own race in 2011.
Instead, today Bruyneel states Jani will be Top 5, and Levi/Kloden will also be GC men.

No mention of Horner.
Yet another reason to think Bruyneel is a total piece of trash

Is Horner a masochist? when he was unable to ride the tour last year, he was shouting to the world his discomfort over LA/Hog decision, & yet he joined them in the Shack-this year He wins in *Murcia & yet he's a mere Domestique for Jani in the Dauphine & for LA in the tour-just to finished 12th .... so WTF is wrong with him? He's fvcking himself up!!!

*Pais Vasco (thanks The Hitch)

 

[The Hitch]

Is Horner a masochist? when he was unable to ride the tour last year, he was shouting to the world his discomfort over LA/Hog decision, & yet he joined them in the Shack-this year He wins in Murcia & yet he's a mere Domestique for Jani in the Dauphine & for LA in the tour-just to finished 12th .... so WTF is wrong with him? He's fvcking himself up!!!

Minor mistake. Pais Vasco.

 

[hfer07]

Minor mistake. Pais Vasco.

thanks for the correction.

 

[Oldman]

Is Horner a masochist? when he was unable to ride the tour last year, he was shouting to the world his discomfort over LA/Hog decision, & yet he joined them in the Shack-this year He wins in *Murcia & yet he's a mere Domestique for Jani in the Dauphine & for LA in the tour-just to finished 12th .... so WTF is wrong with him? He's fvcking himself up!!!

*Pais Vasco (thanks The Hitch)

He needs a steady, paying job. He is good but his age doesn't make him more than a one year contract for most teams and his position would be as domestique to the stars anyway. I don't think he's got alot of choices and Bruyneel is still maintaining the charade that is RS. He needs a new face for the advertising.

 

[washedup]

maybe he is looking to get kicked off the team before it collapses on itself .

 

[issoisso]

it's a Euro sport, and Horner is not Euro.

Your usual posts tend to just be laughably out of touch with reality.
But given that Horner has been described by former teammates as someone who will treat you far differently depending on whether or not you're American, this one manages to be exceedingly hilarious.

Well done

 

[pedaling squares]

Every cyclist is a masochist. Doesn't explain Horner's decisions.

Doesn't this make you think that there are other reasons why he would ride for The Hog that are best discussed elsewhere? I mean let's not kid ourselves about these late bloomers.

 

[jaylew]

Horner, Top 15 as Cadel's lieutenant. No thank you from Lotto, still underpaid.
Now, Top 10 while carrying a geriatric Lance in 2010.

Makes the statement that he hopes Bruyneel lets him ride his own race in 2011.
Instead, today Bruyneel states Jani will be Top 5, and Levi/Kloden will also be GC men.

No mention of Horner.
Yet another reason to think Bruyneel is a total piece of trash

I like Horner a lot, but he is going to be 39 in a few days. Admittedly he still seems to be going strong, but how long can it continue? And really when you get down to it, Kloden, Levi, and Jani are better climbers and TTers than Horner when on top form. Horners strength is his consistency. That said, Levi and Klodi may be running out of gas/motivation quicker than he is and Jani has yet to show he can stay consistent for 3 weeks.

I don't know that he could finish any higher than he already has, but it would be nice to see him get to race for himself in a GT at least once before he retires.

I like Horner. Great rider. TBF the top 10 came because he was helping Lance. They made him go into the break to get Lance the stage, and what do you know, he gets 10 minutes.

True, but he also lost minutes early in the race working for Lance. Maybe he'd have lost a spot or two but I don't think his final position would have been too much different had he ridden for himself the entire way.

 

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I like Horner a lot, but he is going to be 39 in a few days. Admittedly he still seems to be going strong, but how long can it continue? And really when you get down to it, Kloden, Levi, and Jani are better climbers and TTers than Horner when on top form. Horners strength is his consistency. That said, Levi and Klodi may be running out of gas/motivation quicker than he is and Jani has yet to show he can stay consistent for 3 weeks.

I don't know that he could finish any higher than he already has, but it would be nice to see him get to race for himself in a GT at least once before he retires.


True, but he also lost minutes early in the race working for Lance. Maybe he'd have lost a spot or two but I don't think his final position would have been too much different had he ridden for himself the entire way.

He got into the break with Lance, and parlayed that into a rather large jump in GC standings. Teams trying to get their riders in top 10 couldn't really push the pace enough to reel it back in.

I think they could have raced this thing 10 different times, and the result for Horner would have been the same, whether he was riding for another rider on the team or not.

 

[jaylew]

I'm not sure, but I don't think we're in any disagreement here.

 

[staubsauger]

well horner is just no guy for a gt podium finish.

brajkovic maybe really has a great future, as he now for the first time during his career he could ride a whole gt top prepared for his one with a strong team behind him.

klöden could still win 1 week tours. nd levi, well levi had a very bad season in my opinion. but, if he could bring back that form of 2008 or 2009 summer he could still win at least one vuelta as we have seen in 2008 that gt suited him very well. he's a bit like the rubens barichello of cycling.

and well i won't be suprised if in next years giro popovych suddenly coming back from nowhere be able to climb with the best and have a strong tt to fight for a podium placement like bruyneel did with il falco in 2005. maybe he's becoming the jenson button of cycling haha

 

[spanky wanderlust]

horner rocks!

but why the tour? bigger deal for jb than ch imho.

hopefully he can get a couple wins next year. i think that's reasonable.

i'd rather have a win at pais vasco than a top 20 at the tour. now if they let him go for a stage win, that would just be awesome, and a perfectly reasonable goal.

 

[thehog]

.........and all that by Horner for what? Man he even cried on TV about Lance.

 

[Vonn Brinkman]

If Horner was smart he would focus on the Ardennes and more 1 week races like Pais Vasco.
I agree with Bruyneel.
Horner is not a man for the GT's. Yes he did come 7th (probably 6th if one takes Clentador into account), but that was partly luck and favourable circumstances.
I don't think Horner could do a top ten again.
Neither could Brajkovic or Kloden or Leipheimer, but those are Bruyneel's idiotic ideas.

 

[erader]

Horner, Top 15 as Cadel's lieutenant. No thank you from Lotto, still underpaid.
Now, Top 10 while carrying a geriatric Lance in 2010.

Makes the statement that he hopes Bruyneel lets him ride his own race in 2011.
Instead, today Bruyneel states Jani will be Top 5, and Levi/Kloden will also be GC men.

No mention of Horner.
Yet another reason to think Bruyneel is a total piece of trash

so you think horner had a gun to his head when he joined the shack? horner is old, injury prone and a domestique.

erader

 

[jaylew]

But given that Horner has been described by former teammates as someone who will treat you far differently depending on whether or not you're American, this one manages to be exceedingly hilarious.

I've heard that mentioned here before but I hope it's not completely accurate.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I've heard that mentioned here before but I hope it's not completely accurate.

There are allegedly multiple sources on it but I can't be bothered to go scouring for them. I can readily believe it, but I'm not going to commit to disliking him for it until I see for myself.

Do you remember him pacing Tejay van Garderen up Alpe d'Huez to protect the young American's GC placing in the Dauphiné too? That's one of the things that makes me think it's accurate.

 

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There are allegedly multiple sources on it but I can't be bothered to go scouring for them. I can readily believe it, but I'm not going to commit to disliking him for it until I see for myself.

Do you remember him pacing Tejay van Garderen up Alpe d'Huez to protect the young American's GC placing in the Dauphiné too? That's one of the things that makes me think it's accurate.

Newsflash. The Americans don't do nearly enough to help each other out on the road while on other teams. Spanish rider do these things constantly.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Newsflash. The Americans don't do nearly enough to help each other out on the road while on other teams. Spanish rider do these things constantly.

Did I say he was wrong to do it, or he was the only one? No. I said that he did it, and that's one of the things that makes me think that the rumours of him treating Americans differently to "furraners" could be accurate.

 

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Did I say he was wrong to do it, or he was the only one? No. I said that he did it, and that's one of the things that makes me think that the rumours of him treating Americans differently to "furraners" could be accurate.

He bought some fruit of the loom at Wal Mart. Add that to your mounting evidence.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

He bought some fruit of the loom at Wal Mart. Add that to your mounting evidence.

oh noes, somebody may have read slightly too much into something! On the CN forums, no less! Since when did THAT happen?

Look, Horner is probably super-patriotic. This leads him to do certain things during races. Many of the Spaniards do it too, and so do the Italians. I didn't say it made him an evil man. Why be so defensive? The guy helped out a guy from another team, seemingly solely because he's a compatriot. The guy has a reputation for treating people who aren't American differently (less positively) than people who are.

Is it so wrong to put 2 and 2 together?