Did he not train at high altitude before?AlexNYC said:Where he habitually trained with Nairo and Anacona at high altitude. Maybe that has something to do with his improved form...classicomano said:Jarlinson Pantano has had a nice transformation to GC contender after dissappearing to Colombia for 2 months.
The point is that he didn't disappear in Colombia; he was filmed and photographed training with Quintana, basically following the same program that has worked for Nairo the last few years. Also, I think the word 'transformation' is not fair; he did finish in the top 10 last year in Catalunya, not to mention his good TdF.roundabout said:Did he not train at high altitude before?AlexNYC said:Where he habitually trained with Nairo and Anacona at high altitude. Maybe that has something to do with his improved form...classicomano said:Jarlinson Pantano has had a nice transformation to GC contender after dissappearing to Colombia for 2 months.
classicomano said:Jarlinson Pantano has had a nice transformation to GC contender after dissappearing to Colombia for 2 months.
Maybe this guy can still save his own ass though by referring the UCI to the upcoming Sky study on colombian altitude natives, which is going to explain why blood values of Colombian procyclists are typically all over the place. UCI presidents son helped perform the study, so that should add to the credibity of the study.doperhopper said:sometimes natural altitude doping is not enough
http://www.velonews.com/2016/11/news/colombian-tests-positive-epo-red-hook-crit_425426
Those races are probably the worst for doping.doperhopper said:sometimes natural altitude doping is not enough
http://www.velonews.com/2016/11/news/colombian-tests-positive-epo-red-hook-crit_425426
Yes, but at least the typical arrogant Granfondo-doper dopes to win a hard races, not the freaking Italian version of the red hook crit.Escarabajo said:Those races are probably the worst for doping.doperhopper said:sometimes natural altitude doping is not enough
http://www.velonews.com/2016/11/news/colombian-tests-positive-epo-red-hook-crit_425426
Bad that it had to be a Colombian!![]()
It's more prestigious than most, if not all, Grand Fondos I reckon, especially to a non hardcore cycling fan. There's also the prize money.Mayomaniac said:Yes, but at least the typical arrogant Granfondo-doper dopes to win a hard races, not the freaking Italian version of the red hook crit.Escarabajo said:Those races are probably the worst for doping.doperhopper said:sometimes natural altitude doping is not enough
http://www.velonews.com/2016/11/news/colombian-tests-positive-epo-red-hook-crit_425426
Bad that it had to be a Colombian!![]()
Is that for real? ha ha ha....bread & water...Benotti69 said:Óscar Álvarez PANIAGUA (39, Colombia) EPO - banned for 4 years until 16.06.2020
http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/17/32/52/20170110SanctionADRVENG2.0_English.pdf
yes they WERE clean, but not in today's world. I think they are conducting themselves just like any other pro who wants to win. Dive in a bit with the hot sauce, and then stop, and then take it again, and see how the numbers shake down from the doctors.hrotha said:All sarcasm aside, there's reason to think that the Colombians as a whole were clean(ish) or at least that they didn't benefit as much from doping in the 90s. In the second half of the 80s, the Colombians were a growing force in Europe. Their decline coincides precisely with the spread of EPO in the pro peloton. Now, why would those very talented folks like Lucho Herrera (who retired at 31, thirty-one) suddenly stop being a factor, when they had already paid their dues and adapted to European cycling?
Herrera also gave us a perfect quote to describe the early 90s: "when I saw riders with fat asses climbing like airplanes, that's when I knew." His case is similar to LeMond's.
Not to take anything away from the the rest of your point, and merely as an aside,hrotha said:All sarcasm aside, there's reason to think that the Colombians as a whole were clean(ish) or at least that they didn't benefit as much from doping in the 90s. In the second half of the 80s, the Colombians were a growing force in Europe. Their decline coincides precisely with the spread of EPO in the pro peloton. Now, why would those very talented folks like Lucho Herrera (who retired at 31, thirty-one) suddenly stop being a factor, when they had already paid their dues and adapted to European cycling?
Herrera also gave us a perfect quote to describe the early 90s: "when I saw riders with fat asses climbing like airplanes, that's when I knew." His case is similar to LeMond's.
King Boonen said:Quintana attempting Giro-Tour double...
José Flober Pena Pena, Giovanni Baez Alvarez (US Lamentin) et José Daniel Bernal Garcia (Rayon d'Argent de Fond Masson) ont été contrôlés positif à l'EPO Cera sur le Tour de Guadeloupe (2.2).
I was a huge fan of Mejia. At the time I couldn't understand why he wasn't winning everything in sight. He was a true champion like Hinault, Lemond, etc. In retrospect I guess it all makes sense.Escarabajo said:There you have it fellows. From Mejias mouth even after retirement. His career cut short:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/alvaro-mejia-i-would-have-liked-to-have-raced-in-a-clean-era/
I remember my brother telling me after the RCN classic. He just beat all the greats in the TT. This rider if our next "Herrera" if not better. I never understood what happened to him. Completely gone after a short stint.
Ryo has said it in this forum that he was even better than Herrera. But, you know for the Colombians in those days was kind of tough.
Lance once said about Mejia that he lacked determination. Now we know what he meant by that.
As neither you nor me can guarantee any of those guys was clean, I wonder if "true champion" is an appropriate concept/label. Well, unless we decide to take doping out of the equation of course which maybe you did right there.He was a true champion like Hinault, Lemond, etc.