Clean Colombians? (Arkea investigation page 27)

[Benotti69]

Colombians just like everyone else...

https://gfny.com/gfny15-winner-was-doping/

 

[Catwhoorg]

http://www.usada.org/oscar-tovar-accepts-doping-sanction/

USADA statement on Oscar.


No formal statement on Yamile Lugo, as of yet.

 

[Benotti69]

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http://www.usada.org/oscar-tovar-accepts-doping-sanction/

USADA statement on Oscar.


No formal statement on Yamile Lugo, as of yet.

Tovar should've rang TomD/JV and he might get off..

 

[luckyboy]

Rafael Infantino and Ivan Parra positive for GHRP2 http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/ciclismo/dopaje-positivos-de-infantino-y-parra/16501544

 

[Benotti69]

Rafael Infantino and Ivan Parra positive for GHRP2 http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/ciclismo/dopaje-positivos-de-infantino-y-parra/16501544

You sure these guys and not showing weird altitude natives positive anomalies

Now if they were on JV or Brailsford teams it would be different, it would MCE or send Oli to check it out!!!!

 

[roundabout]

Being close to Horner old Parra needed all the help available to keep up.

 

[Escarabajo]

I am not surprised about Ivan Parra. I don't think he started late. He probably thought that he had a free pass in Colombia.

 

[carton]

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I am not surprised about Ivan Parra. I don't think he started late. He probably thought that he had a free pass in Colombia.

Surprised a little at his palmares. Also guys like Ardila, Buenahora. Colombians weren't as missing from those late 90's early 00's pelotons as I remembered. Anyway, I think I bumped handlebars with Parra once. Didn't strike me as a particularly nice guy

 

[carton]

Maria Luisa Calle going with the JTL-2 (the "it's not that I'm guilty but I don't got no money left to defend myself", not the "drank myself positive"):
http://www.elcolombiano.com/deportes/ciclismo/servimos-mientras-produzcamos-medallas--maria-luisa-calle-IA3727093
A couple hard truths there, but sooo much deflection as well. Why do so few athletes take the hit gracefully?

Also, to the "these are just kids who get pushed into stuff and then are shocked when the support goes away" brigade: she's 47. And she already got off on a technicality once. Not trying to be mean about it, but at this point "she's elderly and confused" would be a more credible approach.

P.S., that newspaper's sports section hasn't quite hit the PC era:
http://www.elcolombiano.com/deportes/otros-deportes/el-forrest-gump-nacional-partio-y-nadie-lo-pudo-parar-CY3221040
I'm guessing they meant it as a compliment? George Carlin would be proud.

 

[hfer07]

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Maria Luisa Calle going with the JTL-2 (the "it's not that I'm guilty but I don't got no money left to defend myself", not the "drank myself positive"):
http://www.elcolombiano.com/deportes/ciclismo/servimos-mientras-produzcamos-medallas--maria-luisa-calle-IA3727093
A couple hard truths there, but sooo much deflection as well. Why do so few athletes take the hit gracefully?

Also, to the "these are just kids who get pushed into stuff and then are shocked when the support goes away" brigade: she's 47. And she already got off on a technicality once. Not trying to be mean about it, but at this point "she's elderly and confused" would be a more credible approach.

P.S., that newspaper's sports section hasn't quite hit the PC era:
http://www.elcolombiano.com/deportes/otros-deportes/el-forrest-gump-nacional-partio-y-nadie-lo-pudo-parar-CY3221040
I'm guessing they meant it as a compliment? George Carlin would be proud.

Maria Luisa Calle is the Colombian Jeannie Longo

 

[classicomano]

Chaves training for the Giro in Colombia, close to his best friend Oscar Sevilla. And training partner?

That's why he wants to "be ahead and in the best positions of the Giro d'Italia" for which thoroughly prepared in the mountains near Bogota, near the Spanish Oscar Sevilla, one of his best friends.

http://www.elespectador.com/deportes/ciclismo/al-giro-hay-ir-al-ciento-ciento-esteban-chaves-articulo-629789

 

[jens_attacks]

leaving that aside, babyface probably is the only cyclist nicer than chavito. that i know of.

 

[Benotti69]

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

 

[ice&fire]

Re:

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

This link in Spanish gives more details:
http://www.elespanol.com/deportes/20160610/131487010_0.html

Poliemen had already found he carried Aicar and TB-500 inhis suitcase back in 2012

 

[sniper]

Re:

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

i thought cycling was leading the fight against doping. 95% clean, etc.
So i guess we should be surprised the ring was mainly feeding off cyclists.

 

[carton]

The Colombian local scene needs cleaning up, particularly when it comes to Babyface et alia. The amateur scene isn't all that great either. But the WorldTour guys have come up mostly through the "clean" Colombian teams. And a WADA-accredited lab has been set up, and the cops seem finally be on the case, FWIW.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

i thought cycling was leading the fight against doping. 95% clean, etc.
So i guess we should be surprised the ring was mainly feeding off cyclists.

this is about amateur cyclists. in colombia they have the vuelta colombia masters, in which every town's apothecaries get raided on every possible stimulant drug for these oldies to use. they recently cleaned up the pro/elite cycling scene in colombia as well, many guys never to return like wilson rincon, infantino and several others and if they return on a seriously lower level (millan, marlon perez, edwin parra)

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

i thought cycling was leading the fight against doping. 95% clean, etc.
So i guess we should be surprised the ring was mainly feeding off cyclists.

this is about amateur cyclists. in colombia they have the vuelta colombia masters, in which every town's apothecaries get raided on every possible stimulant drug for these oldies to use. they recently cleaned up the pro/elite cycling scene in colombia as well, many guys never to return like wilson rincon, infantino and several others and if they return on a seriously lower level (millan, marlon perez, edwin parra)

you know alot about the colombian scene and i appreciate that, but such sweeping statements, what are they based on other than wishful thinking?

The suggestion that there's a doped up amateur scene in colombia, but that the proscene is clean, that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Pro's are protected from high up and have the best and safest possible entourage.
They don't depend on supplies from dodgy rings.
And if amateurs would be doping and pros would be clean, amateurs would go faster than pros.

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

i thought cycling was leading the fight against doping. 95% clean, etc.
So i guess we should be surprised the ring was mainly feeding off cyclists.

this is about amateur cyclists. in colombia they have the vuelta colombia masters, in which every town's apothecaries get raided on every possible stimulant drug for these oldies to use. they recently cleaned up the pro/elite cycling scene in colombia as well, many guys never to return like wilson rincon, infantino and several others and if they return on a seriously lower level (millan, marlon perez, edwin parra)

viewtopic.php?p=815935#p815935

he was always a hors category super talent

err, okay

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

i thought cycling was leading the fight against doping. 95% clean, etc.
So i guess we should be surprised the ring was mainly feeding off cyclists.

this is about amateur cyclists. in colombia they have the vuelta colombia masters, in which every town's apothecaries get raided on every possible stimulant drug for these oldies to use. they recently cleaned up the pro/elite cycling scene in colombia as well, many guys never to return like wilson rincon, infantino and several others and if they return on a seriously lower level (millan, marlon perez, edwin parra)

you know alot about the colombian scene and i appreciate that, but such sweeping statements, what are they based on other than wishful thinking?

The suggestion that there's a doped up amateur scene in colombia, but that the proscene is clean, that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Pro's are protected from high up and have the best and safest possible entourage.
They don't depend on supplies from dodgy rings.
And if amateurs would be doping and pros would be clean, amateurs would go faster than pros.

then you have no idea how doping works in colombia. the pro scene depended mostly on riders selling to each other in very dodgy situations. wilson rincon went so far with his experiments he nearly died. the team simply drops him and that's that.

some teams though have a serious clean image. this image is far stronger than any european teams even and they openly criticized the colombian scene. these teams have gotten the upper hand with installing a bio passport and now their teams are winning races finally in colombia. the quintana team of boyaca raza, manzana postobon, gw shimano for instance have really good reputation. in the case of gw shimano the team was incredibly dirty. some riders were caught. jonathan millan when crying on national tv admitting to all what was wrong. the sponsor, who have a big budget, stepped in and threw all the staff out and installed their own bio passport regime. they also got rid of many riders that were not caught but who were doping. the team was radically changed and is now winning once again with different riders.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

Ooops

Alberto Beltran, cycling's 'king of doping', arrested in Colombia

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/09/alberto-beltran-arrested-colombia-doping-cycling?CMP=twt_gu

According to Colombia’s national police, he was the head of a distribution network supplying high performance athletes – especially cyclists – with doping products.

Obviously Colombians can not be considered clean...

i thought cycling was leading the fight against doping. 95% clean, etc.
So i guess we should be surprised the ring was mainly feeding off cyclists.

this is about amateur cyclists. in colombia they have the vuelta colombia masters, in which every town's apothecaries get raided on every possible stimulant drug for these oldies to use. they recently cleaned up the pro/elite cycling scene in colombia as well, many guys never to return like wilson rincon, infantino and several others and if they return on a seriously lower level (millan, marlon perez, edwin parra)

viewtopic.php?p=815935#p815935

he was always a hors category super talent

err, okay

so? he will probably never return, where do I dispute his talent?

 

[roundabout]

If a 'hors category super talent' needs doping than the scene is hardly clean. Or maybe he is not a 'hors category super talent' because he still needs doping in 'cleaned up' scene.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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If a 'hors category super talent' needs doping than the scene is hardly clean. Or maybe he is not a 'hors category super talent' because he still needs doping in 'cleaned up' scene.

what are you talking about? he was doping when almost everyone was, then finally caught and suspended. I'm sure if he would return he would still be strong. he was 4th in world championships itt as a junior in 2002.

 

[classicomano]

Jarlinson Pantano has had a nice transformation to GC contender after dissappearing to Colombia for 2 months.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Jarlinson Pantano has had a nice transformation to GC contender after dissappearing to Colombia for 2 months.

Where he habitually trained with Nairo and Anacona at high altitude. Maybe that has something to do with his improved form...