Clean Colombians? (Arkea investigation page 27)

[macbindle]

Serious question: Can anybody remember the last time there was a raid during the Tour?

 

[Rollthedice]

From CN, it's getting interesting:

"Further update via AFP said two people have been taken into preliminary custody or “Gardes à vue” on Monday morning. According to the Le Parisien, the two were a team doctor and soigneur, adding that "100ml of saline and injection equipment" were discovered during the searches.
Laurens talked of illegally prescribed medicines, saying the investigation had been opened into those “responsible for the administration and prescription to an athlete without medical justification of a substance or method prohibited within the framework of a sports event, aid in the use and incitement to the use of a substance or method prohibited to athletes, the transport and possession of a prohibited substance or method for the purpose of use by an athlete without medical justification.”

 

[yaco]

The most interesting part of the story is that's it is a French team being investigated by the Police - Especially, seeing French teams/journalists etc are very vocal about doping.

 

[hrotha]

I get the (probably unsubstantiated) feeling that in recent times investigations have been more likely to fizzle out than to get anywhere, and "100ml of saline and injection equipment" is far from an impressive haul. But we'll see.

 

[klintE]

Well some guys doing things that are considered generally to be to possible or maybe not possible for human being
and they raids team with two top10 position on the stage and best GC guy half an hour back.
Smokescreen.

 

[Koronin]

Serious question: Can anybody remember the last time there was a raid during the Tour?

That's a good question. I'm sure there have been.

 

[Billie]

Serious question: Can anybody remember the last time there was a raid during the Tour?

Remy di Gregorio early this decade

 

[roundabout]

Remy di Gregorio early this decade

Yeah, that one was after this*

UPDATED: Quick Step team bus searched and seized in France

LES HERBIERS, France (AFP) - Quick Step sporting director Wilfried Peeters said Friday his team had nothing to worry about despite their bus being given a thorough search by police on the eve of the Tour de France.

www.velonews.com

*pre-Tour, but still counts, IMO

 

[Escarabajo]

Maybe they read Fignon's book and got carried away!

 

[hrotha]

Well some guys doing things that are considered generally to be to possible or maybe not possible for human being
and they raids team with two top10 position on the stage and best GC guy half an hour back.
Smokescreen.

Or maybe the police need something more meaty than "they were fast af" to be able to raid someone's hotel room.

 

[roundabout]

I am surprised that something was found in the hotel room of riders (pure guess here based on the limited info) post-Frigo.

 

[luckyboy]

Matt Rendell obviously spoke to the Colombian guys...

He said legal dietary supplements were seized, questioned asked included "why did you return 2 bidons on stage X", "Why were bloody bandages in your room?", team doctor maybe had needles in his bag, Quintana has a no-needle policy since he was at Colombia es Pasion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308122587558481934

View: https://twitter.com/mrendell/status/1308122587558481934

 

[klintE]

Or maybe the police need something more meaty than "they were fast af" to be able to raid someone's hotel room.

Yes, I agree.
But unfortunately they had "something" only on one of the weakest team. And they followed the tip and really found some drugs.
What could they possibly find in the strongest team?

 

[Red Rick]

Or maybe the police need something more meaty than "they were fast af" to be able to raid someone's hotel room.

making it pretty pointless to bother in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Ted Striker]

Matt Rendell obviously spoke to the Colombian guys...

He said legal dietary supplements were seized, questioned asked included "why did you return 2 bidons on stage X", "Why were bloody bandages in your room?", team doctor maybe had needles in his bag, Quintana has a no-needle policy since he was at Colombia es Pasion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308122587558481934

View: https://twitter.com/mrendell/status/1308122587558481934

i thought pro cycling had that

 

[carolina]

He crashed several times. Finding bloddy bandages in the room isn't surprising.

What could the water bottles have that could be illegal?

 

[hrotha]

Matt Rendell obviously spoke to the Colombian guys...

He said legal dietary supplements were seized, questioned asked included "why did you return 2 bidons on stage X", "Why were bloody bandages in your room?", team doctor maybe had needles in his bag, Quintana has a no-needle policy since he was at Colombia es Pasion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1308122587558481934

View: https://twitter.com/mrendell/status/1308122587558481934

Ok I take back what I said

 

[luckyboy]

i thought pro cycling had that

UCI no needle policy came in 2011. Quintana was a pro for a few years already by then.

 

[Escarabajo]

Illegal Dietary Supplements? doesn't that show very easily in any urine test?
Bloody bandages? really? Quintana should have retired after that crash instead to battling with the wounds.

One question: Is there a no needle policy at the Tour? the last time I checked there wasn't. So hydration techniques with saline bags are legal I guess.

There is a probability of Nairo dealing with the crash and knee pain with pain killers and other substances.

And at the same time could have spoiled any plans of blood doping (or whatever they had planned) during the third week (conspiracy theories).

Otherwise Arkea is very sloppy or simply did not pay attention.

Poor Nairo, can't catch a break.

 

[hfer07]

Quite sketchy situation, given how poorly Arkea performed & the way Quintana & Co. finished the Tour. As far as the so called "legal diuretics" - quite strange to use them during a GT when dehydration is happening on every single stage.............. unless the diuretics are ingested to help flush...............
anyways.
I guess the Tour organization is cool with Pogacar, WvA, J-V & ............................. SUNWEB "clean" performances..............

 

[Walkman]

I get the (probably unsubstantiated) feeling that in recent times investigations have been more likely to fizzle out than to get anywhere, and "100ml of saline and injection equipment" is far from an impressive haul. But we'll see.

We are still waiting on the Puerto blood bags, aren't we..

 

[JosephK]

From CN, it's getting interesting:

"Further update via AFP said two people have been taken into preliminary custody or “Gardes à vue” on Monday morning. According to the Le Parisien, the two were a team doctor and soigneur, adding that "100ml of saline and injection equipment" were discovered during the searches.
Laurens talked of illegally prescribed medicines, saying the investigation had been opened into those “responsible for the administration and prescription to an athlete without medical justification of a substance or method prohibited within the framework of a sports event, aid in the use and incitement to the use of a substance or method prohibited to athletes, the transport and possession of a prohibited substance or method for the purpose of use by an athlete without medical justification.”

No asthma for Nairo?

 

[Koronin]

We are still waiting on the Puerto blood bags, aren't we..

We're likely to still be waiting on those in another 10 years.

 

[luckyboy]

Illegal Dietary Supplements? doesn't that show very easily in any urine test?
Bloody bandages? really? Quintana should have retired after that crash instead to battling with the wounds.

One question: Is there a no needle policy at the Tour? the last time I checked there wasn't. So hydration techniques with saline bags are legal I guess.

There is a probability of Nairo dealing with the crash and knee pain with pain killers and other substances.

And at the same time could have spoiled any plans of blood doping (or whatever they had planned) during the third week (conspiracy theories).

Otherwise Arkea is very sloppy or simply did not pay attention.

Poor Nairo, can't catch a break.

1. Legal supplements.

2. There is a no needle policy at any UCI-sanctioned race. It has been in place for almost a decade already. The Tour is a UCI-sanctioned race.

3. If Quintana used needles for anything painkilling then he would need documented diagnosis, proof of no alternative treatment, it must be given by a certified medical professional, and the UCI doctor must be informed within 24 hours. For any prohibited substance there would be a TUE as well. If he took corticosteroids then he'd have to stop racing for 8 days.

 

[Volderke]

Whatever the doctors gave him, I want to know so I won't take it before a race. It didn't make him faster.