Confidentiality/cover-up confirmed?

[sometriguy]

Cycling news is reporting that both Pat and Contador said the results should not be disclosed...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/contador-says-uci-told-him-to-stay-quiet-over-clenbuterol-affair

Thoughts on this?


If this isn't new thread worthy, mods feel free to merge or delete...

cheers

 

[Willy_Voet]

Worth a new thread. Doesn't surprise me, though.

 

[Lanark]

Deserves it's own thread. This is the most direct proof we've seen of the UCI's corruption (apart from the donations of course). And it shows that the UCI hasn't turned over a new leaf since the Armstrong-days, and is still more interested in managing the doping problem instead of combating it.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It was an attempt at a cover-up. The UCI wanted to do this internally!!

The UCI does not sanction athletes - and has no reason to be involved, they set the rules. It is up to the federation that has the licence (in this case Spains RFEC) to hold a hearing on the rider.

Here are McQuaids comments:

“The results process has to be confidential, it is not about speculation, but about the research of the scientific aspects. Leaks are not fair to the system and speculation does not help. It can be compared to the work of an investigative magistrate, which is also confidential.”

There is no 'speculation' Pat - Contador has failed a test. That's it, end of.
There is nothing to investigate - he has been caught. If Contador wishes to show that there was "no fault or negligence" then he can bring evidence to his hearing.

That is the way the system works and has been applied up to now.
There is no need to change it - yet that is what McQuaid wants to do.

 

[sometriguy]

I'm mildly conflicted on this:

On one hand, this is total BS corruption that should not be happening

On the other hand, I think it is pretty lame to take down AC or any other doper for an absurdly low level of an essentially useless element. Imagine if your work gave you a drug test and nailed you at 40x below the minimum testing standard of marijuana....

However, I think it is good that all of this is coming out. I really have to believe that this combined with the Armstrong investigation is going to lead to some reform

 

[DAOTEC]

Yeah, this is plain crazy ...

UCI is now doing bussines with a view elite riders, without the teams involved/informed, over what is going on ...

The same teams/sposors that pay the 150,000 Euro's every year for the BioPass program, to have their own riders caught, only to get a license.

This is it R.I.P. ... Verbruggen was something but this Mc. Quaid is

 

[DAOTEC]

This is running on Dutch TV as we speack: http://nos.nl/video/188818-mart-smeets-over-contador.html


Alberto Contador BioPass exposed by 6 experts already in July with this Glen thing now on top ... It seems that bloodbooster AC his BloodPass looks like this:

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm mildly conflicted on this:

On one hand, this is total BS corruption that should not be happening

On the other hand, I think it is pretty lame to take down AC or any other doper for an absurdly low level of an essentially useless element. Imagine if your work gave you a drug test and nailed you at 40x below the minimum testing standard of marijuana....

However, I think it is good that all of this is coming out. I really have to believe that this combined with the Armstrong investigation is going to lead to some reform

How would you feel if you lost your job for a positive for marijuna and then found that another employee got off for the same offence?

If (and its a big IF) Contadors story is true - then it may seem harsh, but he is responsible for what he takes and he can try for a "no fault or negligence" reduction.
Re-writing the rules for one athlete is disgraceful.

 

[sometriguy]

How would you feel if you lost your job for a positive for marijuna and then found that another employee got off for the same offence?

If (and its a big IF) Contadors story is true - then it may seem harsh, but he is responsible for what he takes and he can try for a "no fault or negligence" reduction.
Re-writing the rules for one athlete is disgraceful.

I agree, nobody should be allowed to get off!

It is fair and just if he goes down. I'm just bummed that all of my friends in the real world are Lance Armstrong Fanboys, and they are virtually mocking me and talking about how clean LA is aggravating to say the least.

But adding more corruption to the sport certainly won't fix anything!!

 

[TubularBills]

From the article - Both teams could have a legal right to sue him, not pay him, suspend him, or Cancel his 7 figure contract? They probably won't but, they could and should. Not doing so shows complicity and continuing omerta.

It seems that it would come down to the strength and content of the contracts.

If UCI exonerates him, WADA doesn't and the media continues to cover the evidence against he and the UCI...

The whitewash, double standard and preferential treatment could be the worst thing for Contador's career.

The Rules are quite clear that despite the vector and quantity, Clenbuterol is a banned substance in any quantity and results in a 2 year suspension and loss of the Tour result, with a rule allowed 1 year reduction if found to be inadvertent.

Granted it seems that the split between believers and critics is about 50/50 but, this reeks of cover-up/corruption despite either view.

It has all of the hallmarks of another Armstrong debacle, this is Contador's cortisone, and will taint his past successes and the rest of his career.

Chapeau CN for detailing the ongoing evidence of a cover up and spin.

 

[Digger]

This is running on Dutch TV as we speack: http://nos.nl/video/188818-mart-smeets-over-contador.html


Alberto Contador BioPass exposed by 6 experts already in July with this Glen thing now on top ... It seems that bloodbooster AC his BloodPass looks like this:

Hey can you give me more details on this...first I have heard of it. Thanks.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

This is running on Dutch TV as we speack: http://nos.nl/video/188818-mart-smeets-over-contador.html


Alberto Contador BioPass exposed by 6 experts already in July with this Glen thing now on top ... It seems that bloodbooster AC his BloodPass looks like this:

Is there a english version of it?

-------------------------

And this post than belongs here:
I am honest, i was naive. I tought the UCI does not try to cover up anymore. But i am now disabused. How they want(ed) to keep the Contador case under the carpet is impertinent. Who tells us that they don´t know more (like a suspicious passport). 1st i was 50/50 of guilty or not. Now i am 100% sure, Contador doped. My only hope is that the WADA can bring this case to the CAS (can they??), if the UCI gives Contador only a 3 month "ban". Ridiculous.
Now it makes 100% sense that indeed they were paid by Armstrong to let go a positive Epo-Test at the TdS.
How stupid McQuaid thinks we are? What does it tell to the clean riders? I hope Gerdemann, Offredo and Chavanel speak out even more. This basterd and his gang is as worse as the FIFA.
If i see Contador racing next year, i finish with cycling (watching) for good. My hope is many others will follow. Shall the Fanboys be the only ones who watch this mess. What a waste of time.

I hope potential sponsors shy away forever.

 

[DAOTEC]

Yeah, this is plain crazy ...

UCI is now doing bussines with a view elite riders, without the teams involved/informed, over what is going on ...

The same teams/sposors that pay the 150,000 Euro's every year for the BioPass program, to have their own riders caught, only to get a license.

This is it R.I.P. ... Verbruggen was something but this Mc. Quaid is

This is running on Dutch TV as we speack: http://nos.nl/video/188818-mart-smeets-over-contador.html


Alberto Contador BioPass exposed by 6 experts already in July with this Glen thing now on top ... It seems that bloodbooster AC his BloodPass looks like this:

Hey can you give me more details on this...first I have heard of it. Thanks.

For the first time the thread that matters ... thanks for starting it ... it is time to bring it all out ....
Yes AC is dirty as hell and has been exposed in July ... he was one of the not mentioned when they brought Pello down !!!!!!!

Got a stake in this one and know the people behind the scenes helping AC out called (Hintermänner) ...
This AC is one of the last Kelme bunch still running around !

I will ask the NOS if they can sent me transcript in English or make a rerun with eng trans on it ...

 

[sometriguy]

From the article - Both teams could have a legal right to sue him, not pay him, suspend him, or Cancel his 7 figure contract? They probably won't but, they could and should. Not doing so shows complicity and continuing omerta.

It seems that it would come down to the strength and content of the contracts.

If UCI exonerates him, WADA doesn't and the media continues to cover the evidence against he and the UCI...

The whitewash, double standard and preferential treatment could be the worst thing for Contador's career.

The Rules are quite clear that despite the vector and quantity, Clenbuterol is a banned substance in any quantity and results in a 2 year suspension and loss of the Tour result, with a rule allowed 1 year reduction if found to be inadvertent.

Granted it seems that the split between believers and critics is about 50/50 but, this reeks of cover-up/corruption despite either view.

It has all of the hallmarks of another Armstrong debacle, this is Contador's cortisone, and will taint his past successes and the rest of his career.

Chapeau CN for detailing the ongoing evidence of a cover up and spin.

your comments about the teams reminded me of what I have been thinking the last few days. Assuming the rumors are not true that Contador will get a 3 month slap on the wrist and retain his tour crown. I have heard that a 2 year suspension for AC could lead to Saxo bank folding. Combine this with the fact german TV is basically saying they may stop carrying the tour (and maybe all cycling?). Spain is going to be up in arms with AC and mosquera, valverde, et al.

Then add in the US investigation against lance and now the obvious outright corruption by the UCI.

Where does this leave cycling? I'm fearful for the future of the sport. Whether it be lack of sponsors, lack of coverage, whatever. We were finally getting to a point where online streams, and HD coverage, etc were allowing us to watch amazing coverage of some really great racing.

 

[TubularBills]

Didn't Rasmussen get suspended and stripped of the yellow jersey just for missing a test and lying about his whereabouts? In this case both A and B came back positive for a banned substance. Should the punishment be less severe?

 

[sometriguy]

Didn't Rasmussen get suspended and stripped of the yellow jersey just for missing a test and lying about his whereabouts? In this case both A and B came back positive for a banned substance. Should the punishment be less severe?

Afterward he seems to have been blackballed, and for what?

 

[Digger]

For the first time the thread that matters ... thanks for starting it ... it is time to bring it all out ....
Yes AC is dirty as hell and has been exposed in July ... he was one of the not mentioned when they brought Pello down !!!!!!!

Got a stake in this one and know the people behind the scenes helping AC out called (Hintermänner) ...
This AC is one of the last Kelme bunch still running around !

I will ask the NOS if they can sent me transcript in English or make a rerun with eng trans on it ...

Yeah I know he's dirty - Werner Franke left many of us with no illusions on that score a number of years ago.
Whilst Iknew he was dirty, I didn't realise his Passport was all over the place. Vaughters was on the forum last year saying how he saw AC's passport and that it was impeccable. Although Kohl has shown the meaningless of this.

 

[TubularBills]

Where does this leave cycling? I'm fearful for the future of the sport. Whether it be lack of sponsors, lack of coverage, whatever. We were finally getting to a point where online streams, and HD coverage, etc were allowing us to watch amazing coverage of some really great racing.

I agree, the last six laps of the Worlds yesterday were an exceptional fireworks filled treat... I guess it comes down to how much doping the sport can tolerate and maintain sponsors, riders, teams and most importantly, fans.

 

[DAOTEC]

Yeah and what about this unfortunate fella

What if Li Fuyu would have used the 'eat da wrong stake' as defence, them currupted bobos been all ears, don't think so, but in the mean time Li, a humble Chinese got hanged for a micro dose ... p.s. Douwe de Boer was also the so called white night for Li Fuyu ... well it didn't help him and now at once Mr. Dr. Prof. D de Boer (Dutch) knows it all, yeah what's in the envelope hahahaaaa

Think eating contaminated/poisoned stuff in China, is more plaussible probabillity, then in the niche French cuisine of the TdF ...

Can eating steak make you fail a drug test?

.

 

[Adamastor]

This is running on Dutch TV as we speack: http://nos.nl/video/188818-mart-smeets-over-contador.html


Alberto Contador BioPass exposed by 6 experts already in July with this Glen thing now on top ... It seems that bloodbooster AC his BloodPass looks like this:

frustrated, because understood only 10% of what was said, but I definitely want to hear it all. Sounds extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing in English.

Apparently Stade2 on French TV will release an`exclusive interview of Contador this eve at 19.00 French time. "Very moving" interview, they announce.

Looks like this time (unlike for Armstrong), French media are on Contador's side...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Combine this with the fact german TV is basically saying they may stop carrying the tour (and maybe all cycling?).

They´ll stop. The contract runs trou 2011 and finito. Up today i was against a stop. But i changed completly. They should stop after this try of another cover up.
Btw, the TdF is the only event shown by german cycling. The cheaters (and that they come away with it) destroyed the sport in germany completly. Real bad, b/c we have some good talents (Martin, Degenkolb, Greipel, Gerdemann). Thank you UCI.

 

[DAOTEC]

frustrated, because understood only 10% of what was said, but I definitely want to hear it all. Sounds extremely interesting. Thanks for sharing in English.

Apparently Stade2 on French TV will release an`exclusive interview of Contador this eve at 19.00 French time. "Very moving" interview, they announce.

Looks like this time (unlike for Armstrong), French media are on Contador's side...

If that is so, the French are plain stupid or blind this time around, it's their Tour the France prize money now flooding in the pockets of the corrupted bobo's like Mc Quaid, who are getting a share as pay-off ... like a new kitchen ... 2nd mortgage already paid for ... a nice car after leaving ... or like Max Mosley in F1, some costumed Nazi porn party ....

 

[Aguirre]

french media supporting contador??????

I don't know what kind of cycling people see here! France is with Andy, who is a good boy, likes his mom, and is Francophone. You saw the last TdF?

L'equipe, who usually is very aggressive against doping and even in occassions against spanish winners, casting doubts: valverde... nadal.... has been extremly cautious about the case. Not the same in the german-holliganist-media

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Not the same in the german-holliganist-media

Yeah, this bad german nazi press. omg, which country you are from? Zimbawe?

 

[JRTinMA]

It's also interesting that the UCI updated the press release on its website and removed the sentence about being 400 times lower than the threshold. The fact being it was only 40 times lower than the LOD to be accredited. It just disappeared without even a note on editing.