Contador 2010

[red_flanders]

I think it's from the CyclingNews article.
I think the fanboy you quoted wants Astana to follow Bruyneel's plan from 1999-2005. You know, letting the race decide who leads the team.

Yep. That's it.

Got it. Should they tell Contador not to attack on the first few climbs so that Vino doesn't get dropped and they can minimize his time losses over the race?

 

[Polish]

If it wasn't clear, the implication was that Bruyneel's absence would have a negative effect since, as I understand it, there was a negative impact on others who left the fold so to speak (e.g., Landis, Hamilton, Leipheimer, etc.).

As for L-B-L, I don't believe Martinelli is the DS for that race. It's LaPlage (sp) and I think he will utilize the tools he has correctly (he has so far).

The absence of Bruyneel will NOT have a Negative Effect on Alberto.

Unfortunately for Alberto - it was Bruyneel's Negative Effect in 2009 that motivated Alberto to win. Alberto needs to turn his wheels in ANGER in order to win - and it was Bruyneel's negative effect that motivated Alberto 2009. Tactical Genius. There is no doubt.

One can already see the positve effect the New New Astana is having on Alberto. Riding around in the FingerBangCar. Tweeting profusely about how wonderful his Team is. Having better wheelsets than Vino. Who knows, maybe the happy Alberto will win by an even bigger margin in TdF 2010.

 

[red_flanders]

The absence of Bruyneel will NOT have a Negative Effect on Alberto.

Unfortunately for Alberto - it was Bruyneel's Negative Effect in 2009 that motivated Alberto to win. Alberto needs to turn his wheels in ANGER in order to win - and it was Bruyneel's negative effect that motivated Alberto 2009. Tactical Genius. There is no doubt.

So he's been angry at the Giro, the Vuelta, the Tour, Paris-Nice, and basically all spring?

He's an angry fellow this Contador. Funny...he never looks or acts angry. Maybe you're confusing him with someone else.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

He's an angry fellow this Contador. Funny...he never looks or acts angry. Maybe you're confusing him with someone else.

I wonder who....

 

[Polish]

So he's been angry at the Giro, the Vuelta, the Tour, Paris-Nice, and basically all spring?

He's an angry fellow this Contador. Funny...he never looks or acts angry. Maybe you're confusing him with someone else.

2008 Giro...mad about being excluded from the 2008 TdF...mad at Levi...
mad about having to cut short his beach vacation

2008 Vuelta...again, mad at exclusion and mad at Levi...

2010 TdF.....Verbier etc mad mad mad at Johann and Lance's wheels.

An angry Alberto is a very strong Alberto. Do not pee him off. Seriously.

 

[Arnout]

Interesting. Alberto wins every race. So he also wins the races in which he's angry.

But I never noticed that he needs to be angry to be able to win.

 

[trompe le monde]

2008 Giro...mad about being excluded from the 2008 TdF...mad at Levi...
mad about having to cut short his beach vacation

2008 Vuelta...again, mad at exclusion and mad at Levi...

2010 TdF.....Verbier etc mad mad mad at Johann and Lance's wheels.

An angry Alberto is a very strong Alberto. Do not pee him off. Seriously.

I know for some it's a bit of a recreational sport to deconstruct your posts, but seriously, you and Ockham's Razor do not get along very well. Anger as the spur that drives Contador? Where was the tidal wave of rage lashed out at Mother Nature during the Criterium International for causing his allergies to act up? Was it not being angry enough that caused him to finish third at La Fleche this past Wednesday? Was Contador simply not angry enough to not even bother racing at the Worlds in 2009? You do realize what kind of *** slippery slope you're working with, do you?

I realize that being an Armstrong fan boy entitles it's adherents to all sorts of wonderful and otherworldly rationalizations, but most often the truth carries with it the simplest amount of steps necessary to construct its validity.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The absence of Bruyneel will NOT have a Negative Effect on Alberto.

Unfortunately for Alberto - it was Bruyneel's Negative Effect in 2009 that motivated Alberto to win. Alberto needs to turn his wheels in ANGER in order to win - and it was Bruyneel's negative effect that motivated Alberto 2009. Tactical Genius. There is no doubt.

One can already see the positve effect the New New Astana is having on Alberto. Riding around in the FingerBangCar. Tweeting profusely about how wonderful his Team is. Having better wheelsets than Vino. Who knows, maybe the happy Alberto will win by an even bigger margin in TdF 2010.

I totally agree with you on the highlighted above.

By not having JB or LA on the same team he will save over 2kg in this years Tour not having to wear a stab vest'.

 

[Polish]

Turning your wheels in anger

Gentlemen, "Turning your Wheels in ANGER" is a good thing. GOOD.

The few times Alberto has done it have been awesome.

Think Eddy, think Hinault....think about other riders who would turn their wheels in anger. Anger aimed at your oponents is useful and motivational in many Sports.

Alberto did NOT turn his wheels in anger at the Criterium International. He changed his schedule so he could show-off. Big difference. Crap results.

Alberto did NOT turn his wheels in anger on the Mur. What he did do was continually turn his head around. Big difference.

Alberto IS strong enough to win the TdF calmly and without turning his wheels in anger. But if I were one of the TdF dangermen, I certainly would not take any chances getting Alberto mad....

 

[red_flanders]

Gentlemen, "Turning your Wheels in ANGER" is a good thing. GOOD.

The few times Alberto has done it have been awesome.

Think Eddy, think Hinault....think about other riders who would turn their wheels in anger. Anger aimed at your oponents is useful and motivational in many Sports.

Alberto did NOT turn his wheels in anger at the Criterium International. He changed his schedule so he could show-off. Big difference. Crap results.

Alberto did NOT turn his wheels in anger on the Mur. What he did do was continually turn his head around. Big difference.

Alberto IS strong enough to win the TdF calmly and without turning his wheels in anger. But if I were one of the TdF dangermen, I certainly would not take any chances getting Alberto mad....

No one is arguing (I'm certainly not) that it's bad. I just think you're projecting something on him that isn't there. I speculate that you're projecting Armstrong on him.

Interesting that now you say it's been "a few times". Previously he "needed anger to win".

Unfortunately for Alberto - it was Bruyneel's Negative Effect in 2009 that motivated Alberto to win. Alberto needs to turn his wheels in ANGER in order to win - and it was Bruyneel's negative effect that motivated Alberto 2009. Tactical Genius. There is no doubt.

To suggest it was Bruyneel that motivated Contador to win is ridiculous. His problem was not primarily with Bruyneel, by all accounts it was or is with Armstrong. To credit Bruyneel with tactical genius for how he handled the Tour last year is so farsical it leaves my alternately laughing and scratching my head. Contador won IN SPITE of what Bruyneel did (or more accurately failed to do), and did it by controlling himself in the face of an absurd series of attacks from within his own team. For crying out loud they announced the new sponsor DURING the Tour, a new team their leader and obviously best rider was not interested in or welcome to join.

Where do people come up wit this kind of drivel?

 

[Berzin]

Where do people come up wit this kind of drivel?

This is where...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I find it somewhat disheartening that some of the most intelligent posters here still attempt to engage Polish in any sort of debate. You'd think that by now you people would realize the sole purpose behind this person's existence on this board.

But alas, no. You still waste time attempting to deconstruct idiocy. Why? Seriously. What do you or anyone else gain from refuting the endless intellectual sewer Polish propagates?

 

[Polish]

"We might as well win" again with Alberto

No one is arguing (I'm certainly not) that it's bad. I just think you're projecting something on him that isn't there. I speculate that you're projecting Armstrong on him.

Interesting that now you say it's been "a few times". Previously he "needed anger to win".

To suggest it was Bruyneel that motivated Contador to win is ridiculous. His problem was not primarily with Bruyneel, by all accounts it was or is with Armstrong. To credit Bruyneel with tactical genius for how he handled the Tour last year is so farsical it leaves my alternately laughing and scratching my head. Contador won IN SPITE of what Bruyneel did (or more accurately failed to do), and did it by controlling himself in the face of an absurd series of attacks from within his own team. For crying out loud they announced the new sponsor DURING the Tour, a new team their leader and obviously best rider was not interested in or welcome to join.

Where do people come up wit this kind of drivel?

Who was the WINNING DS at the 2009 TdF?

Bjarne?

Jonathon?

Roberto Amadio?

No it was Johan.
TWO riders on the Podium.
THREE riders in the Top 6.

Do you really think Johann thought Lance could win?
Do you really think Johann thought he better NOT make Alberto mad?
Do you really think Johann did not get a SWEET deal with RadioShack.

Johann directed the otherwise BORING 2009 TdF like a Maestro:
1) Johann motivated Alberto to win Johann's 14th(?) GT by "motivating" Alberto to turn his wheels in anger.
2) Johann was able to stay buddy-buddy with Lance.
3) Johann was able to sign a juicy deal with The Shack.


Sure, he made the ManBag Brigade unhappy.
But hey, there are always trade-offs in the Bigs.

 

[red_flanders]

I find it somewhat disheartening that some of the most intelligent posters here still attempt to engage Polish in any sort of debate. You'd think that by now you people would realize the sole purpose behind this person's existence on this board.

But alas, no. You still waste time attempting to deconstruct idiocy. Why? Seriously. What do you or anyone else gain from refuting the endless intellectual sewer Polish propagates?

I assume you're referring to the esteemed doctor, but if you're referring in part to me, I'll take the compliment and the be-otch-slap. Thank you sir!

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Who was the WINNING DS at the 2009 TdF?

Bjarne?

Jonathon?

Roberto Amadio?

No it was Johan.
TWO riders on the Podium.
THREE riders in the Top 6.

Do you really think Johann thought Lance could win?
Do you really think Johann thought he better NOT make Alberto mad?
Do you really think Johann did not get a SWEET deal with RadioShack.

Johann directed the otherwise BORING 2009 TdF like a Maestro:
1) Johann motivated Alberto to win Johann's 14th(?) GT by "motivating" Alberto to turn his wheels in anger.
2) Johann was able to stay buddy-buddy with Lance.
3) Johann was able to sign a juicy deal with The Shack.


Sure, he made the ManBag Brigade unhappy.
But hey, there are always trade-offs in the Bigs.

Surely you mean JB motivated AC to buy his own wheels and then turn them in anger?

Of course you could be on to something (or indeed on something) because having worked with am well, you know, some other riders Johan might have a talent in 'anger management'.

 

[Polish]

Surely you mean JB motivated AC to buy his own wheels and then turn them in anger?
.

Exactly!

That made Alberto even angrier
Tactics baby. Geeeeenius.

 

[theswordsman]

Here's the Specialized Roubaix prototype Contador will use to test on the pave from the Tour de France this Tuesday.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=25609

It's the same model Cancellara rode at Paris-Roubaix. More tech info on that bike here:

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/paris-roubaix-tech-cancellaras-race-winning-bike-25691

 

[theswordsman]

Part of an interview translated from Italian by Google, except the bit in red is from Babelfish, which did a better job on an important piece. .

"It is a stage race done all in one breath," says Alberto Contador, a number of world cycling, the strongest rider in the world in both small and great tours, two tours, a Vuelta and Giro already on board, to just 27 years.

Athlete thoughtful and ambitious, so as to be just to ask him to compete in major one-day classic: why this choice?

"After the Paris-Nice went by Beppe Martinelli, my Diesse (he was also the coach of Marco Pantani, ed), and I asked him what he thought if this year I also running the Arrow and Liege. "If you only makes you good," he said. I did not I think twice about it. "

After the bitter third place at Arrow, now revenge on the "Cotes" of "Doyenne" ...
"I decided to run Arrow and Liège because they are part of cycling history, because I can do well even during the day. At Arrow I felt good but not great. At one point I feared he could not win, then I deluded to have won. The most beautiful Evans stole my dream. I lost exuberance, overconfidence, but it can be. Beppe (Martinelli, ed) told me: for those races should be great experience. But now there's Liege race hard, difficult, rewarding thick samples. Favorite? You must be joking. I hope to be there to play, but there are more experienced riders and with the undersigned: faster especially in the case of a final rush. People like Gilbert Evans, the brothers Schleck, Valverde and Cunego, but also your Nibali.

With Evans, Nibali and Schleck brothers will face even the Tour

"It's my big goal of the season.I'll go see the stages in the Pyrenees and the Alps, then make the Dauphiné. Actually my project Tour starts tomorrow I will go to see the stage of Arenberg, that's paved. It seems difficult and complicated, especially for someone like me who do not even know what the cobbles. "

Nothing Giro this year. And the Vuelta?

“The Vuelta could re-enter in my plans, but it is not said that the next year does not come to the Giro. It's a race that I like and then I think that a runner must run throughout the year, the most important races of the season. I do not want to be a racer obsessed with only one big goal. I'm not a runner specialist.

It's not like Armstrong?

"No, he's unique." He laughs.

http://www.ilgiornale.it/sport/lint...-04-2010/articolo-id=440468-page=0-comments=1

 

[ttrider]

In liege bastone liege today contador layed a few myths to rest

He put in a devastating counter attack no one could live with on the penultimate climb after 245 km, bridged to the second best climber in the world with ease. No lack of stamina here!

After this attack it was clear that with Gilbert he was the strongest rider in the race but he allowed vino to attack and ultimately win. Contador merely sat back and played the perfect team player for Vinukourov

In my mind there is no doubt he will win the tour this year as vinukourov and the team will firmly be on his side and he will without a doubt vin liege and fleche wallone in the future

 

[thehog]

In liege bastone liege today contador layed a few myths to rest

He put in a devastating counter attack no one could live with on the penultimate climb after 245 km, bridged to the second best climber in the world with ease. No lack of stamina here!

After this attack it was clear that with Gilbert he was the strongest rider in the race but he allowed vino to attack and ultimately win. Contador merely sat back and played the perfect team player for Vinukourov

In my mind there is no doubt he will win the tour this year as vinukourov and the team will firmly be on his side and he will without a doubt vin liege and fleche wallone in the future

Yes but has he ever finished 27th at Flanders? I think not.

 

[ttrider]

Yes but has he ever finished 27th at Flanders? I think not.

Has he ever entered or given a dam about the tour of Flanders! I think not.

 

[The Sheep]

Has he ever entered or given a dam about the tour of Flanders! I think not.

Do you get sarcasm? I think not.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

Yes but has he ever finished 27th at Flanders? I think not.

No, only the one (LA) has done that and that's all the preparation he needs to win the 8th TDF.

 

[eljimberino]

Does Contador ever climb in the drops?

 

[theswordsman]

Does Contador ever climb in the drops?

A few months ago, Contador reacted to Martinelli's having compared his style to Pantani. Alberto liked it, but said a difference is that Pantani climbed in the drops, and he doesn't. Sorry I couldn't find the interview as documentation. It might be at AstanaFans.

Edit: Contador just posted a photo of himself with Peter van Petegem, with the caption:

Here with Peter Van Petegem, a very good teacher for the pave

http://tweetphoto.com/20001126

Apparently step 1 is standing on cobbles while holding the bike. It builds from there. But he's posed with yesterday's race bike, not the prototype Roubaix.