Contador acquitted

[Roland Rat]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...lunya-following-tip-off-from-pro-cyclist.aspx

Clen seized in Spain. and not en route to the local farm.

(edit: Clen seized, not EPO, sorry!)

 

[Benotti69]

http://road.cc/content/news/31121-wheres-beef-spanish-police-seize-clenbuterol-and-not-cow-sight

no wonder Girona is a good place to train. what came first the pharmacists or the pro cyclists....

 

[hrotha]

http://road.cc/content/news/31121-wheres-beef-spanish-police-seize-clenbuterol-and-not-cow-sight

no wonder Girona is a good place to train. what came first the pharmacists or the pro cyclists....

Yeah, I'm sure finding EPO is terribly hard elsewhere.

On the other hand, Sentjens did go to Catalonia for his EPO, so you might be on to something.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah, I'm sure finding EPO is terribly hard elsewhere.

On the other hand, Sentjens did go to Catalonia for his EPO, so you might be on to something.

well the EPO might be easy to get anywhere but maybe the Clen isnt and we all know a certain TT'er who lost weight while training in Girona for a podium place in the TdF, just saying

 

[hrotha]

well the EPO might be easy to get anywhere but maybe the Clen isnt and we all know a certain TT'er who lost weight while training in Girona for a podium place in the TdF, just saying

[tinfoil hat on]
A pro rider from Olot (Girona) tipped off the police in December. Maybe it's a PR stunt orchestrated by Vaughters, who was taking more heat than usual?
[tinfoil hat off]

 

[rhubroma]

US Postal had moved from Nice to Girona apparently because the doping accusations levied against Lance in France back in the day were getting too annoying.

"That's alright," said the Hog then, "I've got a cozy lil place for us in the north of Spain! No hay problema.

 

[Publicus]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...lunya-following-tip-off-from-pro-cyclist.aspx

Clen seized in Spain. and not en route to the local farm.

(edit: Clen seized, not EPO, sorry!)

I thought it was clen, EPO and some steroids? And this is the SECOND bust in Spain. I seem to recall a raid in October of last year, though my memory could be faulty.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

In the danish news yesterday it was repported that the danish anti doping agency had issued a warning about eating meat when in asia and specifically china. This was sent out to the Badminton and Tabletennis players that frequently tour in Asia.

The reason a german study that tested 28 people returning from China from either buissness holiday etc. 22 of the 28 showed traces of Clen apparently :O

Anyone had heard similar reports?

Haven't seen any reports as such, but having lived in China for 4+ years, and based on my own observations, you may expect pretty much ANYTHING to be added or fed to cattle/pigs/whatever that will increase their yield, for PROFIT!

Witness the addition of melamine to milk to increase the nitrogen (protien) count in testing, to get more money for the milk.

Colleagues who were dedicated and capable weightlifters unanimously reported an increase in muscular strength (1 rep lift weights), despite no change in their training programs from living in EU, then moving to China, usually over a period of the first 6-8 months.

Read this as you may, but I would be VERY wary about what I eat in China if subjected to WADA drug testing for sports.

 

[craig1985]

Am I the only one who thinks that Bertie got off because he is Alberto Contador, the five-time Grand Tour winner, but if he was Alberto Contador, a hack who rode for a Pro Continential team or even at Conti level, would be doing a two year ban right now?

 

[L'arriviste]

Am I the only one who thinks that Bertie got off because he is Alberto Contador, the five-time Grand Tour winner, but if he was Alberto Contador, a hack who rode for a Pro Continential team or even at Conti level, would be doing a two year ban right now?

No, you're not. If you can afford the fancy lawyers and your downfall would create a stink then that has to make some sort of difference ... The worst of it is that nobody comes out of this smelling of roses.

 

[Dallas_]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...lunya-following-tip-off-from-pro-cyclist.aspx

Clen seized in Spain. and not en route to the local farm.

(edit: Clen seized, not EPO, sorry!)

from Catalan police break up doping ring in Girona http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/catalan-police-break-up-doping-ring-in-girona

"five searches undertaken as part of the investigation. Among the products found were clenbuterol, nandrolone, growth hormone and EPO. All are said to have been imported into Spain"


cheers

Find me an accountant involved in fraud and whom does not lie! ---- Now find me a doper who does not lie!

 

[Cloxxki]

Sure, a pack filler with the same positive would have had his ban started sooner than Contador's case even leaked. Too bad Basque is not a seperate country.

 

[runninboy]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...lunya-following-tip-off-from-pro-cyclist.aspx

Clen seized in Spain. and not en route to the local farm.

(edit: Clen seized, not EPO, sorry!)

too funny. I just love how there all these theories of the Clen in the food supply although it is illegal and not found in thousands of tests. But people go further and further down the little rabbit hole to try and explain how it is used in beef production etc etc with no real world experience only what they read on the internet.
In the meantime doping rings dealing in clenbuterol are busted and athletes test positive but of course THOSE two elements cannot be linked.

"Yes i tested positive and although other athletes were caught dealing in clenbuterol my positive was due to tainted meat.
yes the only cow with clen in all of Spain and Europe i ate for dinner and that is how the dope got in my system of this i am 100 percent sure"

Sounds good to me case dismissed, Good Luck @ the Giro!

 

[sublimit]

too funny. I just love how there all these theories of the Clen in the food supply although it is illegal and not found in thousands of tests. But people go further and further down the little rabbit hole to try and explain how it is used in beef production etc etc with no real world experience only what they read on the internet.
In the meantime doping rings dealing in clenbuterol are busted and athletes test positive but of course THOSE two elements cannot be linked.

"Yes i tested positive and although other athletes were caught dealing in clenbuterol my positive was due to tainted meat.
yes the only cow with clen in all of Spain and Europe i ate for dinner and that is how the dope got in my system of this i am 100 percent sure"



Sounds good to me case dismissed, Good Luck @ the Giro!

He's cleared but his results from now on will count for nothing. Bjarne Riis should do the decent thing and put the guy out of his misery and maybe he could get more sponsors in for his team you never know.

 

[runninboy]

No, you raised the issue of actual impact, the "serious consequences" and "monetary destruction".

I am countering that, probably because of the different nature of this food scare, that impact so far appears to have been pretty much absent, and even if the cycling body accepts it is the meat, few if any will change any buying habits, as they would have done so already. The actual stakes (steaks?) appear to much much lower than with "real" food scares, that can indeed cripple industries (and would have done so by now, given how people and buyers tend to react when they get antsy).
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I don't know how things work in EU but here in america one case such as this can impact exports as well as consumption. Now the fact that Spain had a previous problem with Clen over a decade ago also adds to the potential impact of this alibi.
Now your position is that AC did nothing because there was no reaction from the market. The point here that some people are making is even if that were true Alberto had no way of knowing that would be the case in this instance.
He took it upon himself to put a whole industry at risk for his own selfish reasons. Thousands of families and their incomes all on the line to save himself. Of course the fact that this worst case scenario did not happen allows us to exonerate the mindset that put the people in jeopardy in the first place. No harm no foul.
So from now on we will only punish drink drivers when they actually kill someone

 

[runninboy]

It might well be time to move this to a separate thread in another area if this discussion continues in this direction.

Yes the assumptions u make are in my experience totally erroneous and without merit. but that should be in a seperate "Runningboy vs the Postman and the real truth behind farming thread".

which i have started in the general section
enjoy

 

[Cobblestoned]

cobblestoned acquitted, too.

Well, about Alberto: I don't know if to laugh or cry.
But for sure Spanisch authorities are good for a laugh for more than 5 years now.

As a cyclingfan I must say: If Mr.O can pingpong again - then Alberto should cycle again. Same goes for Fuyi Lu.
I know all the details differ, but sometimes it is better to keep a simple focus.

DTTB laughed first, but now I laugh too. The tears are not from crying.

 

[Ferminal]

Am I the only one who thinks that Bertie got off because he is Alberto Contador, the five-time Grand Tour winner, but if he was Alberto Contador, a hack who rode for a Pro Continential team or even at Conti level, would be doing a two year ban right now?

No you're not alone!

And either way it shows injustice in the system, imo.

The nobody gets done for two years when it really was unavoidable contamination but didn't have the resources to escape sanction.

Or the big name gets off because he builds a very good case.

The only hope is that they learn from the Contador case, and maybe the little guys have a better chance.

 

[GJB123]

Yes the assumptions u make are in my experience totally erroneous and without merit. but that should be in a seperate "Runningboy vs the Postman and the real truth behind farming thread".

Funny, if food and farming scandals of the past are anything to go by, I think the postman is right on the money. Then again he isn't really fighting his own corner as you clearly are.

Regards
GJ

 

[runninboy]

Funny, if food and farming scandals of the past are anything to go by, I think the postman is right on the money. Then again he isn't really fighting his own corner as you clearly are.

Regards
GJ

I welcome your comments in the thread in general section
would love to hear your view.

 

[runninboy]

back to the topic at hand
it seems funny to me that as we pull back the curtain we find more and more proof of clenbuterol used in a doping format.Why would someone take such risks for a drug that has so little benefit say in comparison to EPO?
or is it that maybe its use has been found to be quite advantageous?
the drug is used illegally on races horses effectively.
do we know the absorbation is the same in all forms.
For example if you take it orally is it more beneficial than an injection?
how does it appear in blood testing?
Maybe you can take it in significant quantities but the amount that remains in the blood is significantly reduced due to other factors. Maybe there is some sort of masking agent used etc etc
The amount of drug development in the real world and their applications are constantly changing. I was in the doctors office and the makers of Oxycontin were pitching a 7 day patch with sustained release for people who live in continuos pain. this was in a neurologist office and i surmised that one reason is alot of the patients have cognitive issues and forgetting to take their meds can be quite an issue. During the same visit i was told of another drug therapy with a new drug used in conjection with vitamin c where before the treatment was prophalactic dosage of antibiotics.
Constantly changing.
I am sure with millions at stake doping in cycling is progressing at a similar rate. While everyone here seems to be of the opinion that the amount found in AC's sample is not enough to have been used as doping product. the fact remains that is basically the residue of either a)doping, b)a blood transfusion with contaminated blood or c)contaminated meat.
with what we know about clenbuterol at the present, the way it is theoriticallyused as a doping product we discount a.
But then again none of us have extensive knowledge on the subject or we aren't telling.
Who was the rider who claimed to hide EPO you just had to consume a liter of water before giving a sample? While not neccessarily factually correct it shows that people are constantly attempting not only doping but ways to disguise it. the levels AC produced could just be the result of a well contructed but not perfect method.

 

[The Sheep]

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/contador-cleared-of-doping-by-international-cyclin,19237/

Contador Cleared Of Doping By International Cycling Federation's Doping-Clearing Board

MADRID—The ICF's Doping-Clearing Board has investigated and cleared 2010 Tour de France winner Alberto Contador of all doping charges, allowing the three-time Tour champion to return to competition immediately, officials announced Monday. "We have concluded a full, in-depth investigation into Contador's case and summarily cleared him," said Doping-Clearing Board president Fernando Uruburu, who has previously been tasked with the investigations of Alessandro Petacchi, Lance Armstrong, and, on an earlier occasion in 2007, Contador—all of whom were cleared. "Of course, Contador's case is subject to review by the World Doping-Clearing Agency as well as the Spanish Doping-Clearing Council, but we fully expect them to clear him as well." The Doping-Clearing Board is still refusing to review the doping case of disgraced 2006 Tour winner Floyd Landis, who they claim is "a twerp.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/contador-cleared-of-doping-by-international-cyclin,19237/

From the article:

"Doping-Clearing Board president Fernando Uruburu, who has previously been tasked with the investigations of Alessandro Petacchi, Lance Armstrong, and, on an earlier occasion in 2007, Contador—all of whom were cleared"

Hey, he's the Doping-Clearing Board President. Nice to see he adheres so stringently to his job description...

Mind you, I may have been played. It is the Onion, afterall...

 

[Andynonomous]

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/contador-cleared-of-doping-by-international-cyclin,19237/

As the s.p.o.o.f indicates, the appearance is that the cycling authorities would have found an excuse somewhere and somehow, regardless of what Contador tested positive for. This does SERIOUS long term damage to pro cycling's reputation (no matter what excuses will follow).

 

[delbified]

i'm sorry you don't believe in miracles