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Contador is Doping Then So Is Andy Schleck

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top 20 in the Tour are on it.

Even one Belgian rider, who is called the clean guy, and the Australian guy, all on it. Even the guy who won the mtn jersey last month.
 
blackcat said:
top 20 in the Tour are on it.

Even one Belgian rider, who is called the clean guy, and the Australian guy, all on it. Even the guy who won the mtn jersey last month.

moncoutie? that would upset a lot of people. but at this point i wouldn't rule it out.
 
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Not rocket science

The Bald Eagle said:
I have a feeling that I would Like to express. A point of view that I think most would agree on. To me it is transparent. As Alberto Contador is Doping then it stand's to absolute reason that Andy Schleck is also. Now dubbed " Brandy Schleck " for his late night antics in Spain 's most prestigious race. No where all Year, but all of a sudden in the race to Paris he is riding supercharged. Standing toe to toe with Mr. Contadoper in the races to the clouds on Yon high alpine and pyrenean Cols. They ride to the top of the Tourmalet leaving everyone else for Dead. Shoulder to shoulder, dancing on those Pedals, looking fresher with each rev of their cranks. Reminiscent of the now infamous dual between the Chicken and Mr. Contadoper in Le Tour of 2007. All of a sudden the man wit the " Jack Daniels" in his hand, along wit Mr. Mc Ewen, is riding in La Veulta clean as a whistle, as he is loosing time day after day not second's, but minutes. And several minutes at that. Struggling to stay on wheels. Yes Mr. Schleck chanced it for the big one La Tour. But kept his hand out of the cookie Jar for La Veulta. He would not chance it even to help Brother Frank " Feuntes " Schleck. Pulls out of the Veulta in 2009 citing Stomach cramps. Then in 2010 goes on a bender breaking the rules knowingly. Yes this is My way out of the LA Veulta this Year he thought. Mr Riis. Will send me home. Now what is sad that if the worst comes to the worst and contador is stripped of his title. Then the winner by default Andy Schleck will be the Junkie winner of Le Tour 2010. And well he knows it.

The only surprise of the whole AC story is that AS was not caught first. AC seems methodical and organized so I thought he would have covered all the buttons. AS seems like a spoilt toddler who cannot even manage his bike chains, how then can he manage juicing. I think AS juice check is still open and I am still waiting. I think he may be nervous now and will not do any celebrations till at least the new year.
 
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If AC and Andy Schleck weren't there, would you be saying the exact same thing about Menchov & Samy Sanchez and so on? BlackCat says top 20 is on it, how about the 21st? How would you know the 36st isn't? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Since the dirty EPO days are over, TTers can no longer climb as fast as climbers ans vice versa. Call me naive if you want, but I really think that it shows a lot of progress in testing, and nowadays a doped rider is nowhere near to be as dirty as in the 90s. Of course there will always be cheaters, but I think that as the testings evolving, cheaters have a smaller advantage over clean riders and therefore, clean victories are possible.
 
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The Bald Eagle said:
I have a feeling that I would Like to express. A point of view that I think most would agree on. To me it is transparent. As Alberto Contador is Doping then it stand's to absolute reason that Andy Schleck is also. Now dubbed " Brandy Schleck " for his late night antics in Spain 's most prestigious race. No where all Year, but all of a sudden in the race to Paris he is riding supercharged. Standing toe to toe with Mr. Contadoper in the races to the clouds on Yon high alpine and pyrenean Cols. They ride to the top of the Tourmalet leaving everyone else for Dead. Shoulder to shoulder, dancing on those Pedals, looking fresher with each rev of their cranks. Reminiscent of the now infamous dual between the Chicken and Mr. Contadoper in Le Tour of 2007. All of a sudden the man wit the " Jack Daniels" in his hand, along wit Mr. Mc Ewen, is riding in La Veulta clean as a whistle, as he is loosing time day after day not second's, but minutes. And several minutes at that. Struggling to stay on wheels. Yes Mr. Schleck chanced it for the big one La Tour. But kept his hand out of the cookie Jar for La Veulta. He would not chance it even to help Brother Frank " Feuntes " Schleck. Pulls out of the Veulta in 2009 citing Stomach cramps. Then in 2010 goes on a bender breaking the rules knowingly. Yes this is My way out of the LA Veulta this Year he thought. Mr Riis. Will send me home. Now what is sad that if the worst comes to the worst and contador is stripped of his title. Then the winner by default Andy Schleck will be the Junkie winner of Le Tour 2010. And well he knows it.

It's called peaking for a race. I am not willing to say that Andy is completely clean, but given the mountain ascent times they are not as charged as riders during Lance's reign.
 
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What is the surprise??

Anyone who rides regularly knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to ride at those TDF speeds, 100miles a day, in those brutal conditions, recover everyday for 21 days without some artificial help. The human body was NEVER designed to recover that fast, no matter your training. As far I am concerned, to enter top 10 you have to be juiced.

AC just got caught, thats all.

I think all race directors should be fired. I think they should appoint ex-rider as race directors and they should be directed from their best and honest knowledge what can riders do in 21 days without juice. It may end up being 60mile days and slower speeds. Will the public watch???
 
Easy to find out. If they can truly link the presence of plasticizers in the urine with blood doping, then retest everybody's samples for it. Otherwise, I don't see how can run this or any new, unsanctioned tests on just AC's samples.

From the looks of it, AS probably stores his blood not in plastic blood bags but in old beer bottles.
 
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Addicted said:
If AC and Andy Schleck weren't there, would you be saying the exact same thing about Menchov & Samy Sanchez and so on? BlackCat says top 20 is on it, how about the 21st? How would you know the 36st isn't? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Since the dirty EPO days are over, TTers can no longer climb as fast as climbers ans vice versa. Call me naive if you want, but I really think that it shows a lot of progress in testing, and nowadays a doped rider is nowhere near to be as dirty as in the 90s. Of course there will always be cheaters, but I think that as the testings evolving, cheaters have a smaller advantage over clean riders and therefore, clean victories are possible.

That is a misnoner in pro-cycling "clean riders". Well not exactly...go to position 50 and downwards and you can find some cleanies
 
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La Vie Claire said:
Easy to find out. If they can truly link the presence of plasticizers in the urine with blood doping, then retest everybody's samples for it. Otherwise, I don't see how can run this or any new, unsanctioned tests on just AC's samples.

From the looks of it, AS probably stores his blood not in plastic blood bags but in old beer bottles.

So funny..ha-ha...probably so true..LOL
 
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Addicted said:
Since the dirty EPO days are over, TTers can no longer climb as fast as climbers ans vice versa. Call me naive if you want, but I really think that it shows a lot of progress in testing, and nowadays a doped rider is nowhere near to be as dirty as in the 90s. Of course there will always be cheaters, but I think that as the testings evolving, cheaters have a smaller advantage over clean riders and therefore, clean victories are possible.

I tend to agree with this point. I think the testing has caught up enough to limit doping, but not completely eliminate it, which I think is the only realistic possibility at the moment. Can a rider still blood dope? Yes, but only so much that he doesn't ring the bio passport meter. Can you micro-dose with EPO? Probably, but again, you have the bio passport, which if not actually catching cheats, is at least keeping them in check.

AS may be doping, but he also may not be. Had he been keeping up with the 2009 Contador like he did in 2010, my opinion would be different.

This whole Contador thing certainly makes me wonder what else the UCI is sweeping under the carpet. The real evil in cycling is the old men running it.
 
blackcat said:
top 20 in the Tour are on it.

Even one Belgian rider, who is called the clean guy, and the Australian guy, all on it. Even the guy who won the mtn jersey last month.

So is the mountain man riding faster than he was or was a former cyclist wrong in saying that he is clean?
 
jilbiker said:
Anyone who rides regularly knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to ride at those TDF speeds, 100miles a day, in those brutal conditions, recover everyday for 21 days without some artificial help. The human body was NEVER designed to recover that fast, no matter your training. As far I am concerned, to enter top 10 you have to be juiced.

AC just got caught, thats all.

I think all race directors should be fired. I think they should appoint ex-rider as race directors and they should be directed from their best and honest knowledge what can riders do in 21 days without juice. It may end up being 60mile days and slower speeds. Will the public watch???

Look back at the 80's. Yes, the racing was slower without EPO, but it was much more exciting. It's not the speed that's enticing...it's the tactics and the spectacle. I also think it WAS possible to ride the tour and even excel...but that ended in the early to mid 90's. Look at the careers of Hampsten and Bauer, then look at the career of Chiapucci and Bugno. They went opposite directions pretty fast. This is despite the test of both Hampsten and Bauer showing they were as strong as they were a few years before. Hmm.
 
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jilbiker said:
The only surprise of the whole AC story is that AS was not caught first. AC seems methodical and organized so I thought he would have covered all the buttons. AS seems like a spoilt toddler who cannot even manage his bike chains, how then can he manage juicing. I think AS juice check is still open and I am still waiting. I think he may be nervous now and will not do any celebrations till at least the new year.

I agree but keep in mind that AS had one of the best dopers in the world behind him: Riis and co. Riis and docs are way too good to fail at this. But It would not surprise me if someone else comes positive from the Tour.

Contador should have followed his instinct and left Astana at the end of last season, he knew Astanas It is no secret that you need a very good doping program in order to race at the highest level. Astana's staff have simply failed him if he gets caught. It is not about doping or not doping its about doping and not getting caught.
 
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JayZee said:
AS may be doping, but he also may not be. Had he been keeping up with the 2009 Contador like he did in 2010, my opinion would be different.

This whole Contador thing certainly makes me wonder what else the UCI is sweeping under the carpet. The real evil in cycling is the old men running it.

If you think any of these guys are not doping you are beyond any help. I am not justifying doping, I actually retired from cycling because of that, and I was only 20 years old when I started seeing that these guys don't only take vitamin c and centrum. I really hope we could clean the sport some day. But it kind of sucks to see a guy like Armstrong getting a "pass" to race and win doped while guys like Hamilton, Pantani, Landis and Ulrich get their careers ruined.

Either we let them all race doped like in the 90s or we really clean the whole sport. But this whole bull**** system is killing the sport.
 
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zapata said:
moncoutie? that would upset a lot of people. but at this point i wouldn't rule it out.

Seems very unlikely that he would dope now if he was clean when Cofidis ran a team wide program in the early-mid decade.

Didn't the cat say Lofkvist is clean? He finished just inside the top 20 in France.
 
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blackcat was actually referring to Johnny Hoogerland, who won the prestigious king of the ramps-placed-on-the-roads jersey in the tour of Britain.

Come to England and ride some of those ramps, I will happily stand and watch.
 
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I'm only being this irreverant, because the post deserves it.

It appears more and more that nothing has changed over the last decade: 'hey pot, this is kettle - you're black! no I'm not, you're much blacker than me!'. What a waste of time on a bunch of cheaters.

I have an idea.

Let's help the UCI find some stones, and have them instigate a zero-tollerance policy.

What if we were willing to scrub this generation of riders (who still seem unable to stop cheating) by installing a five-year mininmum ban for ANY infraction. Put the fear of god in the younger riders, while also cleaning out dirty DSs and doctors, and start again.

Wait a few years to finally scrub the system out, and get it going again with a new generation of young studs - now with the legitmate fear of being booted out for doing anything questionable.

Anhything short of a move willing to run most of the current peloton out is not going to do sh*t.

If you're paying for a UCI licence, you have the means to get this on the right track. We ARE members of a 'union', right?