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Contador is Doping Then So Is Andy Schleck

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JMBeaushrimp said:
I have an idea.

Let's help the UCI find some stones, and have them instigate a zero-tollerance policy.

What if we were willing to scrub this generation of riders (who still seem unable to stop cheating) by installing a five-year mininmum ban for ANY infraction. Put the fear of god in the younger riders, while also cleaning out dirty DSs and doctors, and start again.

Wait a few years to finally scrub the system out, and get it going again with a new generation of young studs - now with the legitmate fear of being booted out for doing anything questionable.

Anhything short of a move willing to run most of the current peloton out is not going to do sh*t.

If you're paying for a UCI licence, you have the means to get this on the right track. We ARE members of a 'union', right?

As a dues paying member I want my cut of the bribe money. The UCI should declare a dividend. Every quarter we should get a check along with a financial report.

Revenue
Race sanctioning fees.....400
Protection money............750
"Donations"....................220
Totals (thousands).........1370
 
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Right on! Where's my dividend?

If we're complicitly funding this sh*t show, then I want some of the cake too!

I also don't see team reg fees dropping based on 'donations' from some of the guns. Teams are getting it in the pooper, too.

It's not cheap to register a UCI or ProTour team, how 'bout a bit of the love coming back...

After all, if they're donations they should impact the bottom line. No?
 
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jilbiker said:
Anyone who rides regularly knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to ride at those TDF speeds, 100miles a day, in those brutal conditions, recover everyday for 21 days without some artificial help. The human body was NEVER designed to recover that fast, no matter your training. As far I am concerned, to enter top 10 you have to be juiced.

AC just got caught, thats all.

I think all race directors should be fired. I think they should appoint ex-rider as race directors and they should be directed from their best and honest knowledge what can riders do in 21 days without juice. It may end up being 60mile days and slower speeds. Will the public watch???

SO, AC "just" got caught?! It mightily means to me "ALL" pro riders are dopers! Jeez, i miss the days of amateurs.
 
jilbiker said:
anyone who rides regularly knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to ride at those TDF speeds, 100miles a day, in those brutal conditions, recover everyday for 21 days without some artificial help. The human body was NEVER designed to recover that fast, no matter your training. As far I am concerned, to enter top 10 you have to be juiced.
Sorry, i don't like that reasoning. Because someone who rides regularly cannot do it, nobody else should be able to do it?
 
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indurain666 said:
If you think any of these guys are not doping you are beyond any help. I am not justifying doping, I actually retired from cycling because of that, and I was only 20 years old when I started seeing that these guys don't only take vitamin c and centrum. I really hope we could clean the sport some day. But it kind of sucks to see a guy like Armstrong getting a "pass" to race and win doped while guys like Hamilton, Pantani, Landis and Ulrich get their careers ruined.

Either we let them all race doped like in the 90s or we really clean the whole sport. But this whole bull**** system is killing the sport.

Oh Lord Indurain, AMEN to everything you've posted. There's lots of us who embraced this sport only to be cheated by these dopers, And by dopers, that includes the system.
 
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jilbiker said:
Anyone who rides regularly knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to ride at those TDF speeds, 100miles a day, in those brutal conditions, recover everyday for 21 days without some artificial help. The human body was NEVER designed to recover that fast, no matter your training. As far I am concerned, to enter top 10 you have to be juiced.

AC just got caught, thats all.

I think all race directors should be fired. I think they should appoint ex-rider as race directors and they should be directed from their best and honest knowledge what can riders do in 21 days without juice. It may end up being 60mile days and slower speeds. Will the public watch???

And how did they do that:

45th Tour de France 1958 –
24 Stages, 4319,5 km
Winner Charly Gaul 116:59:05 h
(36,924 km/h)

And now don´t tell me they had Extra-Blood and Epo in 1958. And please don´t tell me amphetamines was the reason riders could overcome this brutal torture.

If you think so, how about that:

14th Tour de France 1920
15 Stages, 5503 km
Winner Philippe Thys 228:36:13 h
(24,072 km/h)

Could it be possible that TdF-Riders are the top of the top of the top of human endurance species. Like there is Baseball-Players who could throw a Fastball at 100 mph. I played Baseball myself and barely hit 80 mph. I tried everything to improve by training, technique analyses, condition training etc.! How could a QB throw a Football 70 yards from one knee when i "only" make it to 52 yards with proper technique?

It´s all because some humans are even way above the talented sportsmen. That is the reality.

So i can safely say: Yes it´s possible to ride the TdF 21 days in a row at high speed. I think we all agree Bassons never used anything, but he still managed to do it...
 
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BroDeal said:
As a dues paying member I want my cut of the bribe money. The UCI should declare a dividend. Every quarter we should get a check along with a financial report.

Revenue
Race sanctioning fees.....400
Protection money............750
"Donations"....................220
Totals (thousands).........1370

Last year I forked out $260AUD for my racing licence, in many ways I agree with you!
 
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La Vie Claire said:
Easy to find out. If they can truly link the presence of plasticizers in the urine with blood doping, then retest everybody's samples for it. Otherwise, I don't see how can run this or any new, unsanctioned tests on just AC's samples.

From the looks of it, AS probably stores his blood not in plastic blood bags but in old beer bottles.
Wide Smile, reaches the eyes.
 
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garciadb said:
Oh Lord Indurain, AMEN to everything you've posted. There's lots of us who embraced this sport only to be cheated by these dopers, And by dopers, that includes the system.

Yes, sad that LA gets 7 scot free and AC, landis, Pantani, basso get peanuts
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
And how did they do that:

45th Tour de France 1958 –
24 Stages, 4319,5 km
Winner Charly Gaul 116:59:05 h
(36,924 km/h)

And now don´t tell me they had Extra-Blood and Epo in 1958. And please don´t tell me amphetamines was the reason riders could overcome this brutal torture.

If you think so, how about that:

14th Tour de France 1920
15 Stages, 5503 km
Winner Philippe Thys 228:36:13 h
(24,072 km/h)

Could it be possible that TdF-Riders are the top of the top of the top of human endurance species. Like there is Baseball-Players who could throw a Fastball at 100 mph. I played Baseball myself and barely hit 80 mph. I tried everything to improve by training, technique analyses, condition training etc.! How could a QB throw a Football 70 yards from one knee when i "only" make it to 52 yards with proper technique?

It´s all because some humans are even way above the talented sportsmen. That is the reality.

So i can safely say: Yes it´s possible to ride the TdF 21 days in a row at high speed. I think we all agree Bassons never used anything, but he still managed to do it...

If you read some of the TDF history you will find mention of artificial help back in those days, I read alcohol was a common helping agent, not sure how. Plus your greats like Eddy etc had some positive readings, no? One key thing in sport is recovery, if you do bodybuilding, squash, cycling etc, its how fast you can recover. Any athlete will tell you that it takes the body 48-72hrs to fully recover after an intense workout. Yet you see pro cyclist flying away on intense sessions day after day, appearing all fresh the next day. Spend a day with a serious athlete who doesn't juice and they will tell you the only way to get back on the circuit the next day after a really intense session AND perform at another high level, feeling all fresh is juice.
 
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Oh yes i did read some of the TdF-History. Early early years it was heroin (it might have helped them to survive the 400 km stages, but i really don´t know how that drug should help recovering for the next day). Alcohol? I know that drug;), i did play drunk once (having a maybe still record standing 5-Errors-Game in germany). How in the world shall that help? Recovery? No way, everybody feels $hit after a drunken night. Doctors in those early days even told riders to smoke, coz it was said it helps to expand the bronchus. So the riders didn´t survive the stages with the drugs but they survived the stages and the drugs.The only reason for doping is to get an advantage, that´s also why (i think) 6 of the past 7 WR-Holders in the 100m dash got busted.
All drugs have side-effects, not something good for recovery reasons. As i said, i think most pipo agree here, that Bassons survived drug free. Yes it´s possible. Does it mean something when drug addicts swear they only can survive racing with drugs? Because they dope since their youth days? I have a tipp for your friends. Just try to ride clean for the 1st time in life... It might work.

EDIT: I never needed drugs to recover.