Is there anything else that could have caused levels this high?
Steroids and hard training: this causes the muscles to swell so much that they outgrow their compartments. This overgrowth leads to muscle destruction and oedema, and therefore a vicious circle.Quickfix said:Is there anything else that could have caused levels this high?
Cloxxki said:This seems to be an American specific condition. I've read on multiple American XC skiers suffering from it. XC skiers ARE pretty buff, just not like bodybuilders. They do a lot of endurance, which might work against the muscles trying to expand under weight work?
I've only recently heard of a European case, a recreational runner girl. Very skinny build, not exactly powerful, has some gland issues keeping her from putting on mass, not a die hard racer at all, she's obviously clean, but she got it.
forty four said:which would not be shocking as they are american football players after all.
xFrankyBx said:But There WILL NOT be a investagation into the school because the kids prolly bought all their supplements themselves. /QUOTE]
It once was quite common for Texas high school coaches to sell this stuff to their players until the legislature outlawed it - well, sort of. Don't know about other states.
ulrikmm said:Steroids and hard training: this causes the muscles to swell so much that they outgrow their compartments. This overgrowth leads to muscle destruction and oedema, and therefore a vicious circle.
One of the enzymes in muscles is creatinekinase. When the muscle breaks down, this enzyme is released and is measurable in plasma.
Myoglobin molecules are also released in large amounts, and lead to clogging of the blood vessels in the kidneys.
Therefore the risks of the condition is kidney failure and necrosis of the muscles. If surgery is not performed, all involved muscles may decay and die. "No more football for you, son".
This must lead to a legal investigation to place the responsibility.
Apolitical said:This condition is also caused by impact - which cause sever swelling, which cuts circulation, etc. A friend of mine got it in his foot when he rolled his ATV. He had to have an operation. Basically, they cut a slit in his foot to relieve the pressure. It's not really that uncommon a condition. If they didn't cut it open to get the blood flowing, he could have lost his foot. I'm sure this was the operation some of these boys had to have.
Quickfix said:Is there anything else that could have caused levels this high?
hfer07 said:After reading the article, it's evident that something stinks-you simply cannot get that kind muscle damage, have high levels of CK, and pretend the kids weren't taking anything.
I used to take Creatine supplements, and the first advice I've got was the weight gain, water retention & muscle stiffness/cramping IF the dosage gets increased out of the established limits-I noticed gains in strength, but my weight went out of control, so I no longer use it. Creatine by itself is helpful under the recommended dosages, and works even better if you combine it with beta-alanine & some testosterone-enhancers like tribulus terrestris or the synthetic counterparts----now you put all those supplements together in the hands of high school kids without any supervision and guess what happens....
xFrankyBx said:Yeah I can see that happening in texas those kids are born for football.
Another thing it could be or have to do with is muscle suppliment company BSN actually had a few bad batches of their NO Xplode sold and a lot of people ended up having kidney issues/failure. That combined with the already obvious issue of what looks like steroids abuse would cause something to happen.
But I've been taking sups for a while and I haven't heard of anyone having a CREATINE overdose.
xFrankyBx said:What are you tryin to say lol