Critérium du Dauphiné 2022, June 5 - 12

[Ilmaestro99]

beaten by Hayter and Cattaneo, at this point he should just give up on the TdF and go to the giro next year.

Cattaneo is a great rider though.

Anyway what's the point, he didn't win today, might as well retire

 

[Red Rick]

Van Aert not beating Ganna with better wind isnt something to be happy about

 

[broppo]

Cattaneo is a great rider though.

Anyway what's the point, he didn't win today, might as well retire

you raise an interesting point there, I predict Rogla's career to go on a downward trajectory now, not such a bad plan!

 

[Ilmaestro99]

How does Fausto feel about the fact that now you've gotten a huge crush on Catteneo as well?

They are both great riders and good personalities. Fausto has slightly more that something special in the bike

 

[Red Rick]

Cattaneo is a great rider though.

Anyway what's the point, he didn't win today, might as well retire

Extremely whelming performance by Rog

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Not surprisingly Ganna and Van Aert the strongest. Interesting changes at the intermediates: Van Aert 10 second faster in the 1st third and 8 seconds faster in the last third but 20 seconds slower in the 2nd (it seems Ganna put the hammer down in this section as he gained there to others as well).
Roglic 5th 42 seconds down - not very good TT by his standards but OTOH he has to be in top form in a month, not now. He was pushing a huge gear like Ullrich, maybe 53x11. Was it some experiment?

 

[kingjr]

you raise an interesting point there, I predict Rogla's career to go on a downward trajectory now, not such a bad plan!

Jesus, what's up with you

 

[wheresmybrakes]

At least if Rog's career is now on a downward spiral, he can look at the Dawg and know it will soon start to improve again.

 

[Eeslliw]

Roglic 5th 42 seconds down - not very good TT by his standards but OTOH he has to be in top form in a month, not now. He was pushing a huge gear like Ullrich, maybe 53x11. Was it some experiment?

I also saw that. Surprising as he normally likes to spin and has higher cadance as others.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

They are both great riders and good personalities. Fausto has slightly more that something special in the bike

An engine?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Average speed raise when you go downhill of course, but for one could raise more and less for another. It's pretty visible that Wout gained more in avg.spd than Ganna between T2 and finish. It's not bad measurement, it's less intuitive.

To make an extreme comparison.
If I go full speed up Alpe d'Huez and then cruise slowly down afterwards, my average speed will be a lot higher after the descent than on the top. By the logic you used when you dragged in average speed at T2 and average speed at finish earlier today, I could then say i did better in the downhill than in the climb.

And with Wout gaining more in average speed you are correct. Everyone seemed to agree that the last part of Gannas race was not that strong, until you came in with the average speed. And Wout gaining more average speed until the finish just confirmed what people were saying. Gannas last part was his weakest.

 

[Riek s]

Something must have changed in conditions that made the 2nd part much harder. Just a climb is no reason why WVA would loose 2s/km to Ganna in that part.

 

[bob.a.feet]

This thread reminds me of the 2020 Vuelta when people were ripping into Roglic for winning the TT but not by a big enough margin.

I think people would have been disappointed by anything other than a performance that asserted himself as equal to Pogacar, which was unlikely.

Most likely this Dauphine will prove what many of us expected it to: that Roglic is a level above all other GC contenders, but half a level below Pogacar.

 

[spalco]

Roglic is well on track to win this race. What are you all talking about?

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Primoz‘ TT was not too bad…

Remember, in 2004, Dauphine, Lance lost two minutes to Mayo in the mountain TT on Ventoux. Four weeks later, Lance wins the Tour, Mayo is nowhere…

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Primoz‘ TT was not too bad…

Remember, in 2004, Dauphine, Lance lost two minutes to Mayo in the mountain TT on Ventoux. Four weeks later, Lance wins the Tour, Mayo is nowhere…

Yeah, Armstrong was drubbed there (not just by Mayo, also by Hamilton). Mayo was flying - amazing form and MtVentoux record. Let's be honest - Lance was great at peaking at the right time (for various reasons) and OTOH Mayo peaked too early and was unlucky (crash on cobbles, illness), Hamilton also crashed heavily and withdrew. That 2004 Tour could've been much closer without misfortunes of those two, who were supposed to be his biggest rivals (looking at form).

 

[bajbar]

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This algorithm correctly predicted the whole top 5 based on the course details (elevation, lenght etc.). So basically the whole top 5 did exactly as you would expect on this type of parcours!

 

[Tim Cahill]

Mayo/Hamilton in 04 were clinic related rather than incorrect peaks.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Anthon Charmig to win one of the weekend stages from the break. He's been right down near the back all week but he's a damn good climber if he's healthy. He's not had the best of seasons for that though.

 

[Red Rick]

Imagine The Bag if Nibali rode Rogls TT.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Cattaneo and Hayter really strong. This Hayter guy is really super, he can do everything and has a HUGE engine. He will soon win the biggest races.

 

[BR2]

Roglic is well on track to win this race. What are you all talking about?

Well, as the Olympic time trial champion this was not a good performance compared to van Aert and Ganna. But it doesn't tell us much about the Tour in my opinion because we don't know at what percentage of their capabilities they all are at the moment. Vingegaard definitely wasn't stronger. And Pogacar can only beat himself at the Tour.
To win the Tour Roglic has to hope for serious bad luck for Pogacar, I think we knew that before.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Fixed that bit for you

You didn't fix anything Rick.

Nah, that only happens when Evenepoel either impresses or underwhelms.

Says the guy who figured the chances of Johannessen dropping Evenepoel by 30s being larger than Evenepoel finishing first because Johannessen was able to finish in a group of 6 with G Martin in Catalunya, 13s behind the winner.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations to Filippo Ganna for taking the stage win.

Gaudu was like i don't care about GC anymore. My main objective is to survive. He just managed it by a split second. Considering how much work van Aert did yesterday i feel that might have cost him the win today. All in all good performance today from him. Roglič was more on the 90% side today. I believe he experimented a bit with the gears selection and cadence. Likely he intentionally didn't dig in 110%. Wouldn't be worth a strain or an injury. He is where he needs to be GC vise. Vingegaard a solid performance. Likely JV will go for at least two spots on the GC podium.

 

[BR2]

I'm happy Ganna won, but on the hot seat and in the interview he seemed a bit down the whole time... somehow... restrained... is it really a question he's going to start the Tour?

O'Connor looked great, his position on the bike was a lot better than I remembered, so either I remembered wrong or he improved a lot. Anyway, in a rather long flat time trial he didn't lose much time to guys like Caruso or Ayuso, beat Mas and Kelderman slightly - very good for him.

Gaudu also not too bad.

But Haig doesn't look too great, maybe I expected too much - will Bahrain go with Caruso, or Haig, or Landa, or... Teuns?? All of them?

Cavagna looks in the worst form I've seen him in in a long time. Has he been ill?