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Critérium du Dauphiné 2024, June 2 - 9

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Straight fact. 2nd tier riders (e.g. Roglic) are closer to 3rd than closer to 1st tier riders (Pogi and Vingo)
But when has Rogla ever won a GT in the same dominant fashion? He's just a winner, not an overwhelming talent like those two. He's much better at winning than riders like Mas, Yates, Vlasov, Ayuso et al, even if they're better than him on this stage or that.
 
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But when has Rogla ever won a GT in the same dominant fashion? He's just a winner, not an overwhelming talent like those two. He's much better at winning than riders like Mas, Yates, Vlasov, Ayuso et al, even if they're better than him on this stage or that.

By usual standards I'd say 2 out of 4 of his GT wins were victories call 'dominant' (Vuelta 2019 with over 2 minutes on Valverde in GC & Vuelta 2021 with over 4 minutes on Mas).

Pog is not a good example because he's on the extreme end of ultra dominant, i.e. a throwback to GC gaps seen the 1990's & before. Vingegaard is similar (in fact Pog can attest to that in last year's TdF). No one should be held to that standard.

Yesterday for Rog was simply a replay of the final MTF stage of the Vuelta 2020 (when Carapaz 'almost' took the jersey) or the final stage of Paris-Nice 2022. I think it says a lot about Rog's winning mentality that he somehow manages to extract victory from the major cracks on the road more than he suffers defeats from them (the main one of course being LPdBF).
 
Between 2011 and 2018 or something, the Dauhpine winner either won the Tour or DNFd.

Pick me up I'm scared

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By usual standards I'd say 2 out of 4 of his GT wins were victories call 'dominant' (Vuelta 2019 with over 2 minutes on Valverde in GC & Vuelta 2021 with over 4 minutes on Mas).

Pog is not a good example because he's on the extreme end of ultra dominant, i.e. a throwback to GC gaps seen the 1990's & before. Vingegaard is similar (in fact Pog can attest to that in last year's TdF). No one should be held to that standard.

Yesterday for Rog was simply a replay of the final MTF stage of the Vuelta 2020 (when Carapaz 'almost' took the jersey) or the final stage of Paris-Nice 2022. I think it says a lot about Rog's winning mentality that he somehow manages to extract victory from the major cracks on the road more than he suffers defeats from them (the main one of course being LPdBF).
^^That's sort of what I was getting at, worded more effectively.

Even his 2021 Vuelta win wasn't "I'm going to win SB with an 80 km solo just because." He's got 80+ wins without any legendary Froome-on-Finestre exploits than I can name off hand (maybe that 2021 Vuelta raid with Bernal?)
 
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I think this will be a good Tour. Rog and Remco will improve in the next 3 weeks. Sepp will step into the phone booth and emerge as the intrepid superhero GC Kuss. Jorgi will continue his stratospheric ascension. Rodriguez has the confidence he needs now. Vingo may yet emerge from the bacta tank with renewed strength.

Pog has challengers. And he's coming off a tough Giro. I remain optimistic for a good show in July.
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I have the same point of vue. Your reaction is also positive, humorous and contributes to sportsmanship. Instead of those many sour reactions that are only intended to break riders.
 
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Just saw Chris froome on ITV4

he must be about 10 kilos more than he was in 2013 Tour

Gosh no wonder he is always dropped ...I mean he isnt even trying is he

Just riding around and cashing his cheques

Even if we know that he was out for a while a few weeks ago (due to illness I think), that is no excuse to be in such terrible shape. The team recently announced that Froome would be at the start of the Tour. But I can't imagine that the commercial reasons and exposure are more important than the sporting aspect.
By participating in the Tour, he and his team management simply make themselves ridiculous.
 
Even if we know that he was out for a while a few weeks ago (due to illness I think), that is no excuse to be in such terrible shape. The team recently announced that Froome would be at the start of the Tour. But I can't imagine that the commercial reasons and exposure are more important than the sporting aspect.
By participating in the Tour, he and his team management simply make themselves ridiculous.
Maybe @Froome and the team has made an agreement. Froome races his last TdF and then retire. Free a spot on the team and no more salary payments.
 
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Congratulations to Carlos Rodríguez Cano for winning the stage and to Primož Roglič for winning the overall.

Very dramatic finale of this stage race and Rogla pulling through with a long range defence. I am happy that both Rogla and Bora were stress tested to maximum and that final stage was as special as it was, it was the right race at the right time in my opinion. As for the Tour chances in my opinion the conclusions can be optimistic, don't really get the pessimism. Rogla won his first stage race with Bora and delivered in clutch time, Bora, as a team, is starting to look great too. It's not like Rogla ever planned to win the Tour or Dauphiné 2024 by 10 minutes. The margin was always to be much smaller.
 
Congratulations to Carlos Rodríguez Cano for winning the stage and to Primož Roglič for winning the overall.

Very dramatic finale of this stage race and Rogla pulling through with a long range defence. I am happy that both Rogla and Bora were stress tested to maximum and that final stage was as special as it was, it was the right race at the right time in my opinion. As for the Tour chances in my opinion the conclusions can be optimistic, don't really get the pessimism. Rogla won his first stage race with Bora and delivered in clutch time, Bora, as a team, is starting to look great too. It's not like Rogla ever planned to win the Tour or Dauphiné 2024 by 10 minutes. The margin was always to be much smaller.
The pessimism is natural since is always a bad sign for the Tour being dropped by Carlos Rodriguez and one of the domestiques of Vingegaard.

Pogacar will certainly have a higher level than Rodriguez and Jorgenson in the Tour.