Critérium du Dauphiné 2024, June 2 - 9

[Valv.Piti]

Nah man, the team didn't do its job perfectly since Roglic wasn't delivered with 50 to go and only had to overtake his leadout's wheel last second.

Not that he could have done that yesterday anyways. That was probably Sobrero's fault, we just make stuff up to ignore the fact that he was garbage.

 

[Rackham]

Some people are saying this ITT isn't really technical at all & the 'climbs' are more like false flat uphill sections, so the powerful rouleurs should be good here.

But that also means Rog might not find this one particularly to his liking either.

 

[CyclistAbi]

You continue to make sense. Roglic was shitty yesterday, he was in perfect position to contest the stage. Im flabbergasted everytime I interact with you.

No he wasn't, he would need to chase down the two that got away and that is not a job of a sprinter. Or if the bunch he was in was still willing to cooperate in the chase, that would be a good plan B, but it wasn't. He realized it right away and gave up, as a smart sprinter should. The win yesterday was out of reach and that is all there is to it. Plus there will be better opportunities deeper in the race, on where the terrain will be much more suitable. Stage 2 and 3 were a bit of a far stretch anyway, reduction of the bunch was just not big enough. But hey, feel free to have your own opinion. You always seem to praise Rogla anyway, so there is that.

 

[Rackham]

Nah man, the team didn't do its job perfectly since Roglic wasn't delivered with 50 to go and only had to overtake his leadout's wheel last second.

Not that he could have done that yesterday anyways. That was probably Sobrero's fault, we just make stuff up to ignore the fact that he was garbage.

The last few hundred meters were shallow. If he'd attacked, he would have been a lead out man for whomever was on his wheel.

 

[Valv.Piti]

The last few hundred meters were shallow. If he'd attacked, he would have been a lead out man for whomever was on his wheel.

Sure, but are you not reading what your friend is typing?!

 

[tobydawq]

No he wasn't, he would need to chase down the two that got away and that is not a job of a sprinter. Or if the bunch he was in was still willing to cooperate in the chase, that would be a good plan B, but it wasn't. He realized it right away and gave up, as a smart sprinter should. The win yesterday was out of reach and that is all there is to it. Plus there will be better opportunities deeper in the race, on where the terrain will be much more suitable. Stage 2 and 3 were a bit of a far stretch anyway, reduction of the bunch was just not big enough. But hey, feel free to have your own opinion. You always seem to praise Rogla anyway, so there is that.

Well, he could have followed Grégoire and Gee, there was no rule against doing that. It was quite obvious that it was a winning move.

 

[Rackham]

Sure, but are you not reading what your friend is typing?!

Not really. I must admit I often just skim posts here without reading everything.

 

[Berflamand]

Some people are saying this ITT isn't really technical at all & the 'climbs' are more like false flat uphill sections, so the powerful rouleurs should be good here.

But that also means Rog might not find this one particularly to his liking either.

Yeah (as I've said a few posts back) I find it really difficult to read the parcours.

One moment I think this looks perfect for Roglic and less so for Remco, the next moment I think the complete opposite.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Well, he could have followed Grégoire and Gee, there was no rule against doing that. It was quite obvious that it was a winning move.

It was too soon, it's not how sprinting works, at least not on such stage as stage 3 was. Such (naive) attempts must be denied, not by a sprinter that intends to win the stage.

P.S. For what you are asking for, sure, i do see potential for that on this race. For an all out attack from the far (200m or so). In my opinion the momentum is gearing up for that, or at least i see good potential. At the Tour we likely won't see much of that, so indeed hopefully to enjoy it on this race. But now to the TT as here Rogla still has to perform relatively good.

 

[tobydawq]

It was too soon, it's not how sprinting works, at least not on such stage as stage 3 was. Such (naive) attempts must be denied, not by a sprinter that intends to win the stage.

P.S. For what you are asking for, sure, i do see potential for that on this race. For an all out attack from the far (200m or so). In my opinion the momentum is gearing up for that, or at least i see good potential. At the Tour we likely won't see much of that, so indeed hopefully to enjoy it on this race. But now to the TT as here Rogla still has to perform relatively good.

So now he is just a sprinter?

 

[yaco]

Jayco for some reason has adopted a cautious approach, some would say a too-cautious approach when riders have suffered minor injuries. This started at the beginning of the year when Matthews and Dunbar left Valenciana with the most minor of injuries. Then Dunbar at the Giro could have battled on and could have got better during the race. In Harpers's case, his abrasions are to the outside of the hand which normally would not affect the gripping of the handlebars. Of course, if the abrasions were to the inside of the hands it is a different story.

 

[Rackham]

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My own position is straightforward on the issue of yesterday's non-sprint: if Roglič doesn't sprint & stomp in one of the triptych MTF stages at the weekend (stages 6, 7 & 8), or if he does & he's bad & even loses time, then sure, I'll accept there was clearly something more going on which meant he was way off form & not well.

But until then, it's wait & see. I wasn't personally 'alarmed' by yesterday's finish. He's not really a bunch sprinter. Certainly not from a very large bunch on shallow gradients.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So now he is just a sprinter?

On such terrain as stage 3 was, sure. Here he is more or less a pure sprinter. That is he should not start early and for the ones that do, he is not responsible to bring them back. So if his team is not involved in chasing then cooperative bunch could serve as a plan B. Without either at disposal it's rather pointless to contest. Unless this would be some decisive stage of a race and seconds would be much needed. Them obviously plan C becomes an option too. Although usually a rather naive take. But still.

 

[Rackham]

On such terrain as stage 3 was, sure. Here he is more or less a pure sprinter. That is he should not start early and for the ones that do, he is not responsible to bring them back. So if his team is not involved in chasing then cooperative bunch could serve as a plan B. Without either at disposal it's rather pointless to contest. Unless this would be some decisive stage of a race and seconds would be much needed. Them obviously plan C becomes an option too. Although usually a rather naive take. But still.

My interpretation of yesterday's finish is simply based on stuff we've seen a million times before, i.e. it wasn't perfect terrain for him, he wanted to save his bullets & he also looked like he was covering his rivals (at least that's what it looked like to me).

I've seen it all before. When he didn't contest the Arinsal stage in last year's Vuelta (the one which Evenepoel won & then crashed after the finish), people jumped to conclusions & freaked out then as well. And that was even more suitable (it was literally a cat 1 climb).

 

[Rackham]

BTW with one minute intervals between rider start times (for everyone) in the ITT, things could quickly get a little hectic out there over the 34km's & the slipstreaming could play a role in the final result.

I bet Evenepoel will catch a few riders.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I don‘t think Roglič would have done a single stomp on easier terrain in his career if he was waiting for the final 50 meters like @CyclistAbi suggests, because I don‘t think he‘s really that explosive.

 

[Rou]

The reality is this: If Remco or Roglic don't comfortably drop all the other contenders (like Jorgenson, Gaudu, Hart...) on any of the last 3 stages this week (by 30+ seconds) then they won't be viewed as serious competition for Pog in July. The TT today means absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter if Rogla or Remco win if they don't perform in the mountains.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don‘t think Roglič would have done a single stomp on easier terrain in his career if he was waiting for the final 50 meters like @CyclistAbi suggests, because I don‘t think he‘s really that explosive.

So if in your opinion he can't do it in last 50m, on such terrain, then likely he can't do it in the last 150m either, on where he spends himself chasing and bringing back the breakaway riders and bringing the remaining bunch behind him. But i get it, on why didn't he go early ... Well, sprinters aiming for a win just don't tend to do that.

But i do agree with the sentiment, that is some people are acting as this was Mur de Huy and at best two in it for the win. On how could Rogla have missed it. Jeez.

 

[Nick2413]

Tarling is only the 4th rider to start so we won’t get to see anything unfortunately. Hopefully no major changes in conditions before the other top guys start.

 

[Berniece]

The reality is this: If Remco or Roglic don't comfortably drop all the other contenders (like Jorgenson, Gaudu, Hart...) on any of the last 3 stages this week (by 30+ seconds) then they won't be viewed as serious competition for Pog in July. The TT today means absolutely nothing. It doesn't matter if Rogla or Remco win if they don't perform in the mountains.

It will tell us what we can expect the coming days, but they still have to proof it

 

[pablohidalgo7]

With Primoz the problem is that most of cicling fans are lost and can’t annalyze propperly (fortunately I can😅)

In recent years his punch is very dependable of high gradients, he can win a final like yesterday but it is not the normal thing.
Also his TT level is very dependable of a hilly parcours, but still people act surprised when he lost a decent time versus Remco on a 55 kmh parcours and then later they are amazed again when he beat everybody on a hilly one.

Today can be surprise day 😉

 

[Berniece]

Start times of the favourites

13:49	TARLING Joshua
14:51	PEDERSEN Mads
15:39	VAN WILDER Ilan
15:42	EVENEPOEL Remco
16:01	AYUSO Juan
16:04	VLASOV Aleksandr
16:05	RODRÍGUEZ Carlos
16:08	ARMIRAIL Bruno
16:10	JORGENSON Matteo
16:11	ROGLIČ Primož

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Thinking back to that daphine ITT from 2021 where Astana randomly took a one-two with Lutsenko and izagiure, and postlborger inexplicably kept the leaders jersey. In a field with porte, Thomas, Vingegard, McNutly etc.

Hopefully we get something similar today.

I would expect Ajuso to be the favourite

 

[Nick2413]

Tarling already overtaking riders 6 min into the TT

 

[pelotonIQ]

Cycling needs some of that Saudi money if they can't show a full stage.