Bob is not too bad for me ... if he would only stop that infuriating (to me) upward tone he does when he ends a sentence or thought. CVV is the worst -- fer sure. He really has a bad problem of letting Horner say anything -- I'm thinking CVV is worrying about Horner taking his job over. Horner was pretty good, better than I originally thought. About the only thing that CVV does that I like, or appreciate, is the hill/mountain riding segments he does. Those are good.