Dan Martin - "Now I know you can win clean"

[sniper]

First you will have to show the evidence of him not being clean. Because that's how things (should) work.

not it's not.
and where did i say he's not clean?
there's no evidence that he's a doper.
i'm only saying the odds are he's a doper, and that's just applying occam's razor when trying to explain his results in a sport called cycling.

 

[pmcg76]

+1

Incredible to see how much faith some people are willing to put into a rider. Especially people who are normally very outspoken about doping.

Because as I said before, maybe they know a lot more about the rider than random posters on here do.

 

[the sceptic]

+1

Incredible to see how much faith some people are willing to put into a rider. Especially people who are normally very outspoken about doping.

Dan Martin bots are the new skybots

 

[LaFlorecita]

Because as I said before, maybe they know a lot more about the rider than random posters on here do.

Maybe some do, maybe they don't. But I'm sure Big Doopie is one of these random posters.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Dan Martin bots are the new skybots

It's quite annoying.

 

[pmcg76]

Dan Martin bots are the new skybots

So everyone who doesn't go along with the everyone dopes brigade is a bot. You clearly have no concept of irony.

 

[BigMac]

Dan Martin bots are the new skybots

An Essay on Schizophrenia: The Sceptic's Personal Tales.

Next time name the source.

 

[LaFlorecita]

An Essay on Schizophrenia: The Sceptic's Personal Tales.

Next time name the source.

That is nasty

And disrespectful to actual sufferers of that disorder

 

[the sceptic]

So everyone who doesn't go along with the everyone dopes brigade is a bot. You clearly have no concept of irony.

I do, I find it highly amusing that Dan Martin beating known dopers proves the peloton is clean(er), but when he doesnt win it proves its dirty. (the rest of the year)

I guess a new new clean era has started today.

 

[Benotti69]

Because Kwiatowski's data didn't show any indication of doping. So if as I imagine you believe that Kwiatowski was doped to win the worlds, it makes the power data an irrelevancy. Thus why release it as those who don't believe in what they are presented with, will disregard it anyways.

Why release it? Because it is called transparency and it builds a transparent history for a rider. Now why would JV be against transparency?

Of course lots wont believe a rider winning a monument can do it clean till there is real change in the sport.

Of course lots think that guys like Hein/McQ's bloodpassport was supposed to stop doping. Hein and Pat anti-doping, that has to be the biggest joke in the sport...............

JV knows that a lot of smart guys (not me obv) follow the sport and are quick to call it. Veloclinic for example. JV cant shout machine error forever....

 

[the sceptic]

That is nasty

And disrespectful to actual sufferers of that disorder

If he can get away with posting holocaust denial stuff then im sure he will get away with that one too.

 

[Benotti69]

Because as I said before, maybe they know a lot more about the rider than random posters on here do.

Of course you do. You live with Dan in Girona and watch his every move

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Maybe some do, maybe they don't. But I'm sure Big Doopie is one of these random posters.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1238655&postcount=105

I do in fact judge how doped races are by how competitive garmin is. They don't have to win. They just have to be competitive. And also if the french riding for french teams can compete. So you see it is irrespective of ethnicity. It is more out of pure logic -- something that escapes most of you.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If he can get away with posting holocaust denial stuff then im sure he will get away with that one too.

I think you are right

It was probably a joke but not a funny one (at least not IMO - I'm sure some people will find it funny)

 

[BigMac]

That is nasty

And disrespectful to actual sufferers of that disorder

No it's not. His delusions and baits are nasty.

Disrespectful? Don't make up things where they don't exist, please. Oh and for the record, I didn't call him schizophrenic, but he sure has some schizophrenic-like attitudes and comments.

If he can get away with posting holocaust denial stuff then im sure he will get away with that one too.

That matter was dealt with by moderators, if you persist with it it may be you who won't get away with it.

 

[Benotti69]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1238655&postcount=105

the idea that French teams are clean is a myth. That Garmin are the measure of clean cycling is a joke. If Garmin were clean they would be doing their utmost to prove it at every turn, they aren't and apart from JV in his life lulls pulling posters legs in the clinic, they are not transparent. When Wiggins and Hesjedal's blood profiles for GTs were not what they should've been in 3rd week of 09 Tdf and 12 Giro, JV blamed machine calibration error. How convenient, why did he not get them rechecked or the machine calibration checked? That would be too transparent now wouldn't it.

 

[the sceptic]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1238655&postcount=105

Its very nice of Valverde, Jrod and Contador to stop doping for a couple of races a year to allow Dan Martin to win.

 

[pmcg76]

I do, I find it highly amusing that Dan Martin beating known dopers proves the peloton is clean(er), but when he doesnt win it proves its dirty. (the rest of the year)

I guess a new new clean era has started today.

What it shows and this is conditional on Martin being clean is that the peloton might have cleaned up enough to let talented guys win big races, in particular one days races but when they come up against those same guys in GTs, they usually lose out. Why?

 

[the sceptic]

What it shows and this is conditional on Martin being clean is that the peloton might have cleaned up enough to let talented guys win big races, in particular one days races but when they come up against those same guys in GTs, they usually lose out. Why?

To me the whole narrative of the peloton being cleaner to allow talented guys to win seems like a fantasy dreamt up by the likes of JV because it suits their agenda.

I actually was on the fence regarding Dan Martin for a while, but the more JV propaganda I read the less I trust him and his riders.

 

[Benotti69]

What it shows and this is conditional on Martin being clean is that the peloton might have cleaned up enough to let talented guys win big races, in particular one days races but when they come up against those same guys in GTs, they usually lose out. Why?

Why would the peloton clean up for 1 day races?

I would've thought it would be easier to 'prepare' for big one day races than GTs.

 

[pmcg76]

Why would the peloton clean up for 1 day races?

I would've thought it would be easier to 'prepare' for big one day races than GTs.

If they have cleaned up at all, it will still be more likely to win a one day race than a GT. Can you at least agree to that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If you can train using test + XYZ for recovery and thus train harder, more often, given OOC testing happens on average 3 times a year and you have something like a .5% chance of being tested and caught, then no, I still do not believe a truly clean rider should be winning anything.

I hope like crazy Garmin is not going to be using advanced training techniques that noone else has to explain this performance by Martin.

 

[BYOP88]

If Garmin are/were clean wouldn't they like all the other "clean" teams release all the data of their riders to try and prove to the world they were clean?

Granted there will be 99.9% of people on here(me for 1)on both sides of the fence who won't have a clue what the numbers mean, but there will be people out there in the real world who would know what the numbers mean and for me that's why these so called 'clean' teams don't release the information, because this myth that cycling is clean would be dispelled once and for all but I'm sure team mangers would say something like "machine error".

 

[peloton]

If Garmin are/were clean wouldn't they like all the other "clean" teams release all the data of their riders to try and prove to the world they were clean?

Granted there will be 99.9% of people on here(me for 1)on both sides of the fence who won't have a clue what the numbers mean, but there will be people out there in the real world who would know what the numbers mean and for me that's why these so called 'clean' teams don't release the information, because this myth that cycling is clean would be dispelled once and for all but I'm sure team mangers would say something like "machine error".

Many Garmin riders (as others do too) send their SRM data to vetooo.

 

[gooner]

If Garmin are/were clean wouldn't they like all the other "clean" teams release all the data of their riders to try and prove to the world they were clean?

Granted there will be 99.9% of people on here(me for 1)on both sides of the fence who won't have a clue what the numbers mean, but there will be people out there in the real world who would know what the numbers mean and for me that's why these so called 'clean' teams don't release the information, because this myth that cycling is clean would be dispelled once and for all but I'm sure team mangers would say something like "machine error".

That's fair enough, and while not directing this at yourself I don't think that would make the slightest difference to some around here if they did so.

I laugh when I hear Benotti calling out for this and guys like Nico Roche and Rui Costa have done it for their wins in the past, yet he still doesn't hesitate to label them dopers.

Not saying these guys are clean by any means, just pointing out if Martin did this it would be no different.

They'd just go on to something else to argue about.