Dave Millar - anti doping hero

[pastronef]

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You hit the nail on the head. The biggest victims of cheating dopers are the clean men (and women) who understand perfectly well that doping is cheating and want no part of it. They don't have a reasonable chance of beating successful dopers like J. Longo, HWMNBN, Valverde, etc.

who?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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You hit the nail on the head. The biggest victims of cheating dopers are the clean men (and women) who understand perfectly well that doping is cheating and want no part of it. They don't have a reasonable chance of beating successful dopers like J. Longo, HWMNBN, Valverde, etc.

who?

he who must not be named. ie voldemort

 

[pastronef]

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You hit the nail on the head. The biggest victims of cheating dopers are the clean men (and women) who understand perfectly well that doping is cheating and want no part of it. They don't have a reasonable chance of beating successful dopers like J. Longo, HWMNBN, Valverde, etc.

who?

he who must not be named. ie voldemort

still have no clue

 

[pmcg76]

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Of course doping pays . If I was a young talented cyclist/athlete. I would dope ,take the cash, take the rewards. I get caught I would apologise" blame life pressure the media expectations" "didn't want to let anyone down" then get a 2 year ban.
I would then spend the next 2 years banned [no testing] dope myself up to the eyeballs " under medical supervision"
Be welcomed back to the peloton saying I am clean and I want to help clean up the sport " carry on doping but be more careful and enjoy the gains I made from my 2 years in exile and carry on as usual driving my Ferrari around my tax haven home in Monaco .
Or not dope in the first place have a high standard of ethics that sport drugs are bad. End up and live like most people do by having a drink and taking recreational drugs [ look at the stats] and work in Poundland for minimum wage.

you choose.

I think the notion that it is either dope or work in Poundland for minimun wage is a rather outdated idea. Many of todays riders are studying whilst competing(look at Pozzovivo as just one example). Many more were capable of attending college but chose cycling knowing they would have the chance to return to their studies if cycling didn't work out. Cycling is no longer the working class sport it was back in the 70/80s and many young riders have plenty of options outside of the sport if they don't make it. The average anlgo/scandanavian pro rider hardly comes from a poor background anyways. In fact many come from well off families. The options for the likes of say Kreuziger/N.Roche or JV/Hamilton were hardly dope or work for minimun wage!!! For them the fame thing might be as much as a draw as the money.

An average domestique at Pro Tour level makes around 100k after 3-4 seasons in the pro game which is good money but when that period of income is limited. It is hardly big bucks to live off.

Think of guys like Phil Gaimon who have hung around the US scene for ages whilst making peanuts. Even at Garmin, Gaimon would have been on the lower pay scale of 40-70k. Plenty of people in the real work make that so why continue to ride clean for so long? Do some actually just ride for the love of the sport?

Just like the real World, not everyone is desperate to make it to the top of the tree and there will be those who are happy to stay clean and eke out a decent living at a lower level. That includes riders at PT level as I have been informed by a few insiders.

 

[The Hitch]

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You hit the nail on the head. The biggest victims of cheating dopers are the clean men (and women) who understand perfectly well that doping is cheating and want no part of it. They don't have a reasonable chance of beating successful dopers like J. Longo, HWMNBN, Valverde, etc.

who?

he who must not be named. ie voldemort

still have no clue

Its a refference to a popular children's book.

Basically means Armstrong

 

[pastronef]

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Its a refference to a popular children's book.

Basically means Armstrong

thanks
and it takes less time to type Armstrong than HWMNBN

 

[wendybnt]

I don't want to point out the obvious, but I haven't heard any mention from St David of Millar of Danielson's pozzy.

 

[arthurvandelay]

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Its a refference to a popular children's book.

Basically means Armstrong

thanks
and it takes less time to type Armstrong than HWMNBN

I always feel that L****e gets plenty of press as it is, so I enjoy not typing his name.....

 

[Benotti69]

lovely description of Millar

The Clear ‏@vayerism 6 hours ago

Millar is the herpes of pro cycling. Turns up everywhere, is never wanted, and a ball ache to get rid of.

 

[gooner]

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lovely description of Millar

The Clear ‏@vayerism 6 hours ago

Millar is the herpes of pro cycling. Turns up everywhere, is never wanted, and a ball ache to get rid of.

No it's not.

 

[gooner]

Perspective comes into calling out other dopers as well.

 

[The Hitch]

To in 2015 actually defend David Millar requires a total absence of anything resembling a moral code. The guy is as big a scumbag fraud and cheat as any this sport has ever seen.

 

[gooner]

As if I'm defending Millar.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

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As if I'm defending Millar.

You should know how the clinic works by now. Referring to Millar as anything less than the most evil human to ever walk on the planet is the same as defending him in this rancid place.

 

[The Hitch]

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If the clinic is so bad, "rancid" even, why don't you* just not visit? We waste time at a place full of idiots that no one reads anyway and you'd feel a lot better not reading?

*that's you plural because gooner had a shot at the clinic too in the post of his that was deleted by the mods.

As if I'm defending Millar.

You should know how the clinic works by now. Referring to Millar as anything less than the most evil human to ever walk on the planet is the same as defending him in this rancid place.

I don't see what's so outrageous about that. Millar combines into one all the worst qualities of dopers and athletes.

He has actually been caught doping so the usual fako "oh but they haven't been caught so there's a possibility they might be clean" schtick doesn't even apply.

He's like one of those mafia guys who get caught, rat on all their fellow gangsters to escape a prison sentence, then once they are in witness protection continue to behave as criminals.

As if I'm defending Millar.

As if you are not

Logging in specifically to say "no its not" and level a few insults at the clinic, because someone reposted a joke tweet about Millar being like Herpes - annoying and unwanted, rather than just ignore the tweet?

You clearly were defending him. Felt strongly enough about the issue to attack a soon to be forgotten random tweet.

Not to mention the tweet didn't actually say anything untrue. If you don't think "Turns up everywhere, is never wanted, and a ball ache to get rid of" is an accurate description of david millar, then you don't pay much attention to cycling.

 

[the sceptic]

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As if I'm defending Millar.

You should know how the clinic works by now. Referring to Millar as anything less than the most evil human to ever walk on the planet is the same as defending him in this rancid place.

rancid is still better than herpes

 

[Digger]

Millar is an awful person and yes Bernie's eyesore he is.

One example - he slams landis for confessing - says he's not credible, tried to discredit it all - slams him for not doing it sooner - this from a guy who only half confessed when he got arrested...not to mention the fact that millar's former teammates were big beneficiaries of landis saying nothing for years. Millar forgot that these same teammates also didn't bother confessing - but that aside, millar then goes on to make money from a movie that never would have been made without landis' confession.
Millar slams the CIRC - but doesn't bother talking to it
Defends contador saying he's innocent
Millar's I only doped 3 times drivel
So yes Bernie, you tell me what redeeming qualities he has.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Turned on this morning to see the hilarious replies to my post and The Hitch has to ask why I come to this place. Pure comedy gold.

 

[Benotti69]

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As if I'm defending Millar.

You should know how the clinic works by now. Referring to Millar as anything less than the most evil human to ever walk on the planet is the same as defending him in this rancid place.

You criticise the clinicians, and you are one of them, as being OTT yet no one here used the term 'evil'.

If you find this place rancid why post? But then you say it is not rancid it is comedy.

Hypocrisy or are you a very confused person?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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The Clear ‏@vayerism 6 hours ago
Millar is the herpes of pro cycling. Turns up everywhere, is never wanted, and a ball ache to get rid of.

I don't know this dude vayerism's sources - or whether he has privileged information that gives weight to his view - but while some would agree with his opinion it's pretty obvious many don't. Within the sport - the peloton, the staff, the wider industry - Millar has his fans. Looking at the way both of his books have been received outside the peloton, he clearly has a lot of fans, both in the UK and international media (there's been hardly any negative comment on his books let alone of him) and among cycling fans (who buy them and praise them). And that they turn up to hear him promote these books, well that hardly supports the claim that he's never wanted where he turns up, now does it?

I may not be among his fans but that does not mean I can pretend they don't exist. I disagree with them but won't deny them.

 

[Benotti69]

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I don't know this dude vayerism's sources - or whether he has privileged information that gives weight to his view - but while some would agree with his opinion it's pretty obvious many don't. Within the sport - the peloton, the staff, the wider industry - Millar has his fans. Looking at the way both of his books have been received outside the peloton, he clearly has a lot of fans, both in the UK and international media (there's been hardly any negative comment on his books let alone of him) and among cycling fans (who buy them and praise them). And that they turn up to hear him promote these books, well that hardly supports the claim that he's never wanted where he turns up, now does it?

I may not be among his fans but that does not mean I can pretend they don't exist. I disagree with them but won't deny them.

Millar's fans are more of the same herpes. Contagious apparently.

 

[The Hitch]

Millar has his fans like John Gotti had his fans. The fact that there's derranged people out there attracted to criminal behaviour doesn't legitimize it.

 

[The Hitch]

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Millar is an awful person and yes Bernie's eyesore he is.

One example - he slams landis for confessing - says he's not credible, tried to discredit it all - slams him for not doing it sooner - this from a guy who only half confessed when he got arrested...not to mention the fact that millar's former teammates were big beneficiaries of landis saying nothing for years. Millar forgot that these same teammates also didn't bother confessing - but that aside, millar then goes on to make money from a movie that never would have been made without landis' confession.
Millar slams the CIRC - but doesn't bother talking to it
Defends contador saying he's innocent
Millar's I only doped 3 times drivel
So yes Bernie, you tell me what redeeming qualities he has.

Millar didn't just defend Contador. He said that only clean riders can dominate gt's in that way.

Lets join the bbc in backing Millar for UCI Pres.

 

[StryderHells]

Well most are whinging is this thread, Millar is a crock and that really shouldn't be of doubt but some do play it up a fair bit and this thread does show that. I don't get why people pay attention to Millar

 

[Ramon Koran]

Is this the same David Miller who stood up to lance Armstrong, the same David Miller who admits his mistakes and is not afraid to share with us his past experience helping us understand the messed up world of pro cycling. Is this the same David Miller to whom antidoping is so important that after his most important victory post ban pledge his innocence and delivered a powerful message, instead of the likes of valverde or vino who just shrug off the past. Yes what a truly horrible person.