Dave Millar - anti doping hero

[pmcg76]

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anybody that read his book. didn't he say something like the whole team was doping at saunier duval except Mazur and me. And wasn't Geraint thomas on that team?

Thomas doesn't show up on SV 2007 team list
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/team.asp?year=2007&teamcode=SDV

2006 does.

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/team.asp?year=2006&teamcode=SDV

Yes but as a Trainee for a few months
I doubt SV put him on their program

Yes a fat, unfit trainee, apparently :-/

I doubt it as well, but he was now connected to the right people, and did spend time with those guys, all of whom doped. Except Millar.

His aspirations have undergone significant marginal gains.

Thomas's ability to ride fast was confirmed when he won the team pursuit gold at the Palma, Spain Track World Championships earlier this year. The GB team went under four minutes for 4,000 metres, pace Thomas hopes to show at the Tour. "I see myself as a lead out man at the moment," he concluded. "I seem to be able to hold the top end for a long time and stay on the front from two kilometres out. Further down the line I would like to see what I could do in other races like the one-day classics."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/no-doubting-thomas

Are you saying he didn't have the right connections when he was at BC or Barloworld? You think 2 months at Saunier Duval got him in touch with all the necessary contacts!!! Maybe Saunier Duval were really that open about doping but I highly doubt they would be handing out doping advice/contacts to a 20 year old on a trial basis, especially one they didn't see fit to sign to a contract!!

Also blackcat will vouch for one member of that team being clean, a guy that made the Top 15 of the Dauphine prologue. I know of another former poster who vouched for another member of that team. Marco Pinotti had a pretty good reputation and had the backing of the Italian Bassons(Micula De Matteis) who was a member of Tenax(forerunner to the infamous LPR of 98 fame) and then ironically rode for a Saunier Duval feeder team. Rubens Bertogliati was another rider who had a bit of a clean rep.

Millar never said the entire team doped so don't know where that comes from.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Goodness no need for conniptions. Someone said DM was at SDV claiming he didn't dope, unlike everyone else on the team. Someone else said G wasn't there at that time. All I pointed out was he was in fact there. Millar would have been all the connection he needed. Unless you think Millar quit when he said he did?

Settle, petal.

 

[The Hitch]

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Awwww bless Millar. He just wants to be loved/popular.

It's more insidious than that. He gets to sit on the UCI's anti-doping panel due to his inside knowledge of doping. So he's still profiting from his doping. He's got his own position to defend as well as any vested interest. We KNOW that in the run-up to the Tour something is going to crop up, because that's when it always does, so he's getting the retaliation in first.

I actually asked JV about that back when he was still posting here and for the most part answering questions we posed, about whether it sent a contradictory message that the guy who got the advantage by doping now got the advantage of being more use to anti-doping than a guy who competed clean all along, but it got avalanched by arguments and JV either never saw it or elected not to answer.

I'm pretty sure JV elected not to answer. That is totally his style.

 

[pmcg76]

Ah yes, the usual mantra of the clinic veterans, keep repeating BS until it becomes accepted as fact but when pulled on it, become all defensive like as the clinics own particular brand of ometra take over.

Edit: in response to DWs post, not Hitch.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Ah yes, the usual mantra of the clinic veterans, keep repeating BS until it becomes accepted as fact but when pulled on it, become all defensive like as the clinics own particular brand of ometra take over.

Edit: in response to DWs post, not Hitch.

I see the conniptions continue. Feel free to point out any of this "repeated BS" or "defensiveness" you poor thing.

Was G at SDV: yes
Did he met anyone on the team: yes - can't say for sure but guessing he did
Did Millar stop doping after 2 ampules of EPO: I am sure mighty intellects like yours say yes.

Sorry I don't believe in miracles.

 

[pmcg76]

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Ah yes, the usual mantra of the clinic veterans, keep repeating BS until it becomes accepted as fact but when pulled on it, become all defensive like as the clinics own particular brand of ometra take over.

Edit: in response to DWs post, not Hitch.

I see the conniptions continue. Feel free to point out any of this "repeated BS" or "defensiveness" you poor thing.

Was G at SDV: yes
Did he met anyone on the team: yes - can't say for sure but guessing he did
Did Millar stop doping after 2 ampules of EPO: I am sure mighty intellects like yours say yes.

Sorry I don't believe in miracles.

Well the BS is not hard to point out when it is in your very response. Even whether people choose to believe Millar is telling the full truth or not, Millar admitted that he used EPO for a few periods of times lasting a number of months. So lets say that time period combined was 6 months, then he doped more than the twice so many here claim he said, and required more than 2 ampules of EPO. IIRC the time periods were lead up to Vuelta 01/ Tour 02 and Worlds 02.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The two ampules is simply a reference to what the police found when they searched his flat. Goodness your knickers must hurt with that much twist in them.

You are jumping at shadows, my friend. Take a seat and a deep breath. The crusades are over.

 

[pmcg76]

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The two ampules is simply a reference to what the police found when they searched his flat. Goodness your knickers must hurt with that much twist in them.

You are jumping at shadows, my friend. Take a seat and a deep breath. The crusades are over.

Think you need a beeping noise when you back up so quickly. Merely pointing out BS is hardly starting a crusade. The fact that you think pointing out BS is some form of crusade says more about your own mentality than anything. As I said, you and your ilk hate nothing more than being corrected and when it happens, revert to this nonsense on trying to belitte the poster. Have at it.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I still don't see any BS being pointed out. Millar was caught with 2 EPO ampules on his book case by police when they searched his house.

And there's no backing up. MIllar doped all the way up until he quit cycling, and is probably still slamming the drugs back even now. Recreational drugs, in case you want to cite me for BS propagation again.

Your crusade is cute. I hope it makes you happy. It's not pointing out BS though. It's a defense of certain riders who have found favour with you for some mysterious reason. If only I could spot a pattern in their defense by you and other posters that frequent this somewhat underpowered forum.

Ah well.

 

[blackcat]

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Ah yes, the usual mantra of the clinic veterans, keep repeating BS until it becomes accepted as fact but when pulled on it, become all defensive like as the clinics own particular brand of ometra take over.

Edit: in response to DWs post, not Hitch.

I see the conniptions continue. Feel free to point out any of this "repeated BS" or "defensiveness" you poor thing.

Was G at SDV: yes
Did he met anyone on the team: yes - can't say for sure but guessing he did
Did Millar stop doping after 2 ampules of EPO: I am sure mighty intellects like yours say yes.

Sorry I don't believe in miracles.

yo Dear Wiggo, G?

Geraint Thomas?

I am pretty sure he was on Barloworld and then cant remember where he went. I know he was on Barloworld. I am pretty sure he was not at Saunier Duval. But I have some info on John Robertson's Barloworld, before Claudio Corti came in and ousted the South African principal from the South African team in an italian cycling putsch

 

[blackcat]

oh G was a stagiare at SDV.

he would have been 19.

 

[blackcat]

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Ah yes, the usual mantra of the clinic veterans, keep repeating BS until it becomes accepted as fact but when pulled on it, become all defensive like as the clinics own particular brand of ometra take over.

Edit: in response to DWs post, not Hitch.

I see the conniptions continue. Feel free to point out any of this "repeated BS" or "defensiveness" you poor thing.

Was G at SDV: yes
Did he met anyone on the team: yes - can't say for sure but guessing he did
Did Millar stop doping after 2 ampules of EPO: I am sure mighty intellects like yours say yes.

Sorry I don't believe in miracles.

Well the BS is not hard to point out when it is in your very response. Even whether people choose to believe Millar is telling the full truth or not, Millar admitted that he used EPO for a few periods of times lasting a number of months. So lets say that time period combined was 6 months, then he doped more than the twice so many here claim he said, and required more than 2 ampules of EPO. IIRC the time periods were lead up to Vuelta 01/ Tour 02 and Worlds 02.

I am pretty sure Millar is "on record" somewhere, saying "only doped twice". I would be around the time that the gendarmes locked him up in the dank Biarritz cell. ofcourse, he was clean for the Futuroworld TdF prologue/tt win.

 

[heart_attack_man]

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“What they should have asked is how the sport has got to a point where clean riders can win the Tour de France? What has changed is that there has been a full cultural change, which they have overlooked. Team managements are proactive, sponsors are hard-core, and the culture has changed from a doping one to an anti-doping one. Sponsors and managers have realised the only way to survive is to be clean.”

that's just perverse.
speechless.

Yep. What a gigantic d0uche. I truly believe that the likes of Millar, JV et al are the ones that are the worst of all. Whilst they continue the dialogue in such a way in that cycling is now cleans, then the true root of the problem will never be able to be dealt with.

I used to think that JV was just treading a difficult line in trying to run a team, but I feel that it's much more insidious than that now

Denialists are just the worst.

 

[nayr497]

Yes, Millar's whole fairwell year and all the stupid shoes from fizik where he donated the funds...so disgusting when you knew he was such a dirty liar.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

No need to worry about what you want from Santa this christmas.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Racer-David-Millar/dp/0224100068/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1436780541&sr=1-3&keywords=david+millar

 

[heart_attack_man]

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No need to worry about what you want from Santa this christmas.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Racer-David-Millar/dp/0224100068/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1436780541&sr=1-3&keywords=david+millar

I sincerely hope he makes a grand total of £0 out of the sales of that book.

 

[The Hitch]

No mention of his doping of course in the overview.

Didn't know he was part owner of Garmin though. Thought he and jv had a spat

 

[the sceptic]

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No need to worry about what you want from Santa this christmas.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Racer-David-Millar/dp/0224100068/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1436780541&sr=1-3&keywords=david+millar

pretty expensive toilet paper don't you think

 

[Archibald]

It is a love letter to cycling

comedy gold!

 

[Tommy79]

You guys would have loved ITV4's tour round up yesterday, Millar ran through what had happened on each stage and they linked it all back to key moments in his career.

I normally don't have a problem with him (he's actually a very good live commentator) but I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

 

[Catwhoorg]

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No mention of his doping of course in the overview.

Didn't know he was part owner of Garmin though. Thought he and jv had a spat

I thought that was common knowledge ?

He did get upset with JV over last years non-selection for le tour, but I bet with hindsight he knows it was the right decision. He wasn't fit enough (in terms of illness) to take the start.

 

[Tommy79]

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No mention of his doping of course in the overview.

Didn't know he was part owner of Garmin though. Thought he and jv had a spat

Apparently his stake in Slipstream was diluted (may not be the right word) several times till it was basically worthless.

 

[Benotti69]

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No mention of his doping of course in the overview.

Didn't know he was part owner of Garmin though. Thought he and jv had a spat

I think JV did a deal with Millar, which Millar stake in slipstream was based on Millar's debt. Not sure how it worked out, but Millar's stake got less and less.....

 

[jens_attacks]

2000 TdF stage to morzine. pantani attacks with 120 km to go or something on saisies
armstrong has only hamilton and livingston around.
dave millar comes to rescue lance and chases like crazy pantani
haha

what a hero.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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No mention of his doping of course in the overview.

Didn't know he was part owner of Garmin though. Thought he and jv had a spat

I think JV did a deal with Millar, which Millar stake in slipstream was based on Millar's debt. Not sure how it worked out, but Millar's stake got less and less.....

Yes I would like more details on this.