Dave Millar - anti doping hero

[Benotti69]

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So Millar was on the WADA athletes committee

It is worth remembering that, once upon a time, Millar reminded people that he knew who was doing what in cycling. Then he conveniently forgot (or realised his self-aggrandising BS carried no weight in the peloton). Ask yourself: is there really any difference between Millar's anecdote about an unnamed source and someone, say, taking to Twitter to say they have it on authority from UKAD that Sky are bad to the bone but are just too damned clever to allow themselves to be caught? They're both just trying to tell the world they know more than you do.

Won't argue that Millar is a real pro at spouting self-aggrandizing BS. But imho by accepting a position on the WADA athletes commission there was some greater responsibility on him to be more than just the PR spouting mouthpiece that he was in his position as a WT Team pro rider.

Unfortunately I took a look at that DM project movie web site. Though in hindsight it is pretty funny how that all worked out. But it did lead me to this clip on year 1 of Slipstream, the Team camp/intro, thought it might be amusing to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLYlhdtsMgo

At 4:42, while sitting between Hesjedal and CVV, Millar says his "situation is completely different to the rest of the team as he is an ex doper". That's comedy gold given that he was pretty much in a team full of "ex-dopers" and either was lying or totally unaware. Finger on the pulse David.

Lying and proves that Slippystream are the snakeoil team of choice.

 

[blackcat]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dr12q

So Millar was on the WADA athletes committee and says in 2009 someone from the IAAF confided in him that athletics was riddled with doping. But what did Millar do about this. In the interview just excuse that WADA's hands were tied, could do nothing. Took until 2014 and the Russian whistlerblowers and journalist to expose what Millar etc at WADA and IAAF knew about but not a sole acted on. Only after the ARD documentary did WADA do anything about this with its IC report. Can you imagine all the clean athletes that would have not had their carreers ruined had Davd 'antidoping hero' Millar spoke out at the time. Actually then maybe I'd see him as a real antidoping advocate. Not just a antidoping charlatan, looking to cash in of the back of real clean athletes every chance he can.

Like all good David Millar stories, the events occurred over a drink at the bar

Yes David you got drunk with some random guy at the IAAF and you can't even remember his name, the only part you remember was the sport was riddled with doping.

imagine Radcliffe and Millar doing some Eugenics thing... and producing the best liar ever! evah! eva I tell you... super muscular christianity liars

 

[blackcat]

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So Millar was on the WADA athletes committee

It is worth remembering that, once upon a time, Millar reminded people that he knew who was doing what in cycling. Then he conveniently forgot (or realised his self-aggrandising BS carried no weight in the peloton). Ask yourself: is there really any difference between Millar's anecdote about an unnamed source and someone, say, taking to Twitter to say they have it on authority from UKAD that Sky are bad to the bone but are just too damned clever to allow themselves to be caught? They're both just trying to tell the world they know more than you do.

Won't argue that Millar is a real pro at spouting self-aggrandizing BS. But imho by accepting a position on the WADA athletes commission there was some greater responsibility on him to be more than just the PR spouting mouthpiece that he was in his position as a WT Team pro rider.

Unfortunately I took a look at that DM project movie web site. Though in hindsight it is pretty funny how that all worked out. But it did lead me to this clip on year 1 of Slipstream, the Team camp/intro, thought it might be amusing to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLYlhdtsMgo

At 4:42, while sitting between Hesjedal and CVV, Millar says his "situation is completely different to the rest of the team as he is an ex doper". That's comedy gold given that he was pretty much in a team full of "ex-dopers" and either was lying or totally unaware. Finger on the pulse David.

if I wanna imbibe bu!!$h1t on celluloid, I will watch Bjarne Riis' Overcoming. This is just a plagiarism.

 

[thehog]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dr12q

So Millar was on the WADA athletes committee and says in 2009 someone from the IAAF confided in him that athletics was riddled with doping. But what did Millar do about this. In the interview just excuse that WADA's hands were tied, could do nothing. Took until 2014 and the Russian whistlerblowers and journalist to expose what Millar etc at WADA and IAAF knew about but not a sole acted on. Only after the ARD documentary did WADA do anything about this with its IC report. Can you imagine all the clean athletes that would have not had their carreers ruined had Davd 'antidoping hero' Millar spoke out at the time. Actually then maybe I'd see him as a real antidoping advocate. Not just a antidoping charlatan, looking to cash in of the back of real clean athletes every chance he can.

Like all good David Millar stories, the events occurred over a drink at the bar

Yes David you got drunk with some random guy at the IAAF and you can't even remember his name, the only part you remember was the sport was riddled with doping.

imagine Radcliffe and Millar doing some Eugenics thing... and producing the best liar ever! evah! eva I tell you... super muscular christianity liars

BBC on hand to take drunkin conversations at the bar as a minuted meeting without the actual minutes. Did it happen, did it not? David Millar said it did and now the BBC have validated it.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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Yes David you got drunk with some random guy at the IAAF and you can't even remember his name, the only part you remember was the sport was riddled with doping.

No, no, no. He remembered the where (Berlin), the when (2009) and the what (Athletic World Championships). It was just that elusive "who" that he "honestly can't remember."

LOL. The story itself left a lasting impression, but the only detail he can't seem to remember is who told it to him.

My glass of Chivas Regal was 3/4 full. The rain fell lightly outside, under a deep grey sky. I was shaken by the sudden realization that it was the anniversary of the day I had saved my childhood friend from near drowning.

Lady Gaga dominated the airwaves from the passing taxis just outside the veranda, while the Swine Flu epidemic still captured the newspaper headlines.

I distinctly recall the faint sound of an Armani suit brushing up against my companion's Oscar de la Renta sleeveless gown, as the unmistakable whiff of a Cohiba Behike announced the arrival of a surprise guest. He appeared thinner than I had imagined, his native accent fading from his extended time abroad. He whispered of possible doping within the ranks, and sought my advice as a former dark lord.

The time: 9:17 pm. I thought of Stefan & Klauss, the two school children I met on the street early that morning who had challenged me to a run. Had these innocent young boys known of my doping past? I hoped for a clean sporting future for both of them.

I tried to concentrate on the man beside me, his Vacheron Tour de l’Ile catching my eye. Could he begin to grasp the depth of the subject he was entering into?

"Bishop to C5; King to C4"

This was the drama unfolding just next to us. The perfect distraction to divert the whispering man's attention elsewhere. How I longed to unhinge myself from his steely gaze.

"Doping in athletics." It was more than I wanted to hear.

I retrieved my Samsung i7500 from my pocket and dialed the front desk: +49 30 2553 1234. My room, # 262. Had it been prepared? I could feign illness and excuse myself from this man's menacing inquiries.

This man...this man...if only I could remember his name.

 

[42x16ss]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06twbz8

41.08 to the end

thanks!

I listened to it... uses the Hugh Grant charming chap routine...

I like how he talks about his life spiralling out of control of being caught and he drank himself to numb the pain. Now he just takes money from people and numbs the pain by drinking?

Talks about UKAD being at the vanguard and leading the anti-doping out of all the NADOs, couldn't stop laughing at that point. Does UKAD actually test their athletes leading up to major competition?

Routine David Millar stuff, he is a fluffer for the fanboys. Gets them all worked up and ready...

Not wrong. The Bike Gaydar shills are lapping it up

 

[Nick C.]

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Yes David you got drunk with some random guy at the IAAF and you can't even remember his name, the only part you remember was the sport was riddled with doping.

No, no, no. He remembered the where (Berlin), the when (2009) and the what (Athletic World Championships). It was just that elusive "who" that he "honestly can't remember."

LOL. The story itself left a lasting impression, but the only detail he can't seem to remember is who told it to him.

My glass of Chivas Regal was 3/4 full. The rain fell lightly outside, under a deep grey sky. I was shaken by the sudden realization that it was the anniversary of the day I had saved my childhood friend from near drowning.

Lady Gaga dominated the airwaves from the passing taxis just outside the veranda, while the Swine Flu epidemic still captured the newspaper headlines.

I distinctly recall the faint sound of an Armani suit brushing up against my companion's Oscar de la Renta sleeveless gown, as the unmistakable whiff of a Cohiba Behike announced the arrival of a surprise guest. He appeared thinner than I had imagined, his native accent fading from his extended time abroad. He whispered of possible doping within the ranks, and sought my advice as a former dark lord.

The time: 9:17 pm. I thought of Stefan & Klauss, the two school children I met on the street early that morning who had challenged me to a run. Had these innocent young boys known of my doping past? I hoped for a clean sporting future for both of them.

I tried to concentrate on the man beside me, his Vacheron Tour de l’Ile catching my eye. Could he begin to grasp the depth of the subject he was entering into?

"Bishop to C5; King to C4"

This was the drama unfolding just next to us. The perfect distraction to divert the whispering man's attention elsewhere. How I longed to unhinge myself from his steely gaze.

"Doping in athletics." It was more than I wanted to hear.

I retrieved my Samsung i7500 from my pocket and dialed the front desk: +49 30 2553 1234. My room, # 262. Had it been prepared? I could feign illness and excuse myself from this man's menacing inquiries.

This man...this man...if only I could remember his name.

I was unaware that Armani suits and DeLaRenta gowns make their own distinct sounds. So educational, and so expensive brand droppy.

 

[motty89]

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Yes David you got drunk with some random guy at the IAAF and you can't even remember his name, the only part you remember was the sport was riddled with doping.

No, no, no. He remembered the where (Berlin), the when (2009) and the what (Athletic World Championships). It was just that elusive "who" that he "honestly can't remember."

LOL. The story itself left a lasting impression, but the only detail he can't seem to remember is who told it to him.

My glass of Chivas Regal was 3/4 full. The rain fell lightly outside, under a deep grey sky. I was shaken by the sudden realization that it was the anniversary of the day I had saved my childhood friend from near drowning.

Lady Gaga dominated the airwaves from the passing taxis just outside the veranda, while the Swine Flu epidemic still captured the newspaper headlines.

I distinctly recall the faint sound of an Armani suit brushing up against my companion's Oscar de la Renta sleeveless gown, as the unmistakable whiff of a Cohiba Behike announced the arrival of a surprise guest. He appeared thinner than I had imagined, his native accent fading from his extended time abroad. He whispered of possible doping within the ranks, and sought my advice as a former dark lord.

The time: 9:17 pm. I thought of Stefan & Klauss, the two school children I met on the street early that morning who had challenged me to a run. Had these innocent young boys known of my doping past? I hoped for a clean sporting future for both of them.

I tried to concentrate on the man beside me, his Vacheron Tour de l’Ile catching my eye. Could he begin to grasp the depth of the subject he was entering into?

"Bishop to C5; King to C4"

This was the drama unfolding just next to us. The perfect distraction to divert the whispering man's attention elsewhere. How I longed to unhinge myself from his steely gaze.

"Doping in athletics." It was more than I wanted to hear.

I retrieved my Samsung i7500 from my pocket and dialed the front desk: +49 30 2553 1234. My room, # 262. Had it been prepared? I could feign illness and excuse myself from this man's menacing inquiries.

This man...this man...if only I could remember his name.

Did Millar actually say this? If so the amount of detail is incredible, apart from the guys name of course...
lol'd at 'former dark lord'

 

[blackcat]

sounds like a really sh!tty creative writing composition in grade 6.

Millar failed his A levels in English right?

 

[bobbins]

Millar is a legend, he waits years to reveal the incredible secrets about doping that he knew about before anyone else and incredibly he gets given airtime and is still seen as a vocal anti-doper.

Well, I can exclusively reveal here that the winner of the 1988 100m sprint at the olympics was using performance enhancing drugs. Take that Millar.

Seriously, shouldn't he be sanctioned for knowing about doping activity but not revealing it? At the very least he should be removed from any committee or association that has a serious anti-doping brief. Being aware of doping but not reporting it is part of the problem we have and yet again, Millar seems to be a part of the problem not of the solution.

 

[Benotti69]

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Millar is a legend, he waits years to reveal the incredible secrets about doping that he knew about before anyone else and incredibly he gets given airtime and is still seen as a vocal anti-doper.

Well, I can exclusively reveal here that the winner of the 1988 100m sprint at the olympics was using performance enhancing drugs. Take that Millar.

Seriously, shouldn't he be sanctioned for knowing about doping activity but not revealing it? At the very least he should be removed from any committee or association that has a serious anti-doping brief. Being aware of doping but not reporting it is part of the problem we have and yet again, Millar seems to be a part of the problem not of the solution.

Have not seen anyone working in pro cycling at present who is part of a solution to clean cycling.

 

[bobbins]

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Millar is a legend, he waits years to reveal the incredible secrets about doping that he knew about before anyone else and incredibly he gets given airtime and is still seen as a vocal anti-doper.

Well, I can exclusively reveal here that the winner of the 1988 100m sprint at the olympics was using performance enhancing drugs. Take that Millar.

Seriously, shouldn't he be sanctioned for knowing about doping activity but not revealing it? At the very least he should be removed from any committee or association that has a serious anti-doping brief. Being aware of doping but not reporting it is part of the problem we have and yet again, Millar seems to be a part of the problem not of the solution.

Have not seen anyone working in pro cycling at present who is part of a solution to clean cycling.

I think there are some, some of the French riders share their SRM data, Tom Dumolin shared his power files. There are some but not many. As long as the likes of Ochowicz, Millar, Yates, Julich, Knaeven, Riis, Brailsford etc are involved I think we will struggle to clean up the sport.

People are still too scared to report doping and people who work for the sponsors seem to think that its a great secret to be 'in on'. The former head of cycling for a big media sponsor knew about their team implying a dodgy doctor and various injections but thought nothing more of it and certainly didn't raise any concerns.

Millar is the worse kind, his words and actions are polar opposite and the gullible corporate chamois sniffers that he spends time with believe his every word thus making doping pay and maintaining the omertà.

 

[Benotti69]

Millar is a snake.

Not sure riders releasing SRM data proves much. I dont think the French are clean, just they take less risks than others due to the threat of a criminal record or prison.

 

[sniper]

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I think there are some, some of the French riders share their SRM data, Tom Dumolin shared his power files. There are some but not many. As long as the likes of Ochowicz, Millar, Yates, Julich, Knaeven, Riis, Brailsford etc are involved I think we will struggle to clean up the sport.

People are still too scared to report doping and people who work for the sponsors seem to think that its a great secret to be 'in on'. The former head of cycling for a big media sponsor knew about their team implying a dodgy doctor and various injections but thought nothing more of it and certainly didn't raise any concerns.

Millar is the worse kind, his words and actions are polar opposite and the gullible corporate chamois sniffers that he spends time with believe his every word thus making doping pay and maintaining the omertà.

you mean Shane Sutton and Sky hiring Leinders?

 

[bobbins]

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I think there are some, some of the French riders share their SRM data, Tom Dumolin shared his power files. There are some but not many. As long as the likes of Ochowicz, Millar, Yates, Julich, Knaeven, Riis, Brailsford etc are involved I think we will struggle to clean up the sport.

People are still too scared to report doping and people who work for the sponsors seem to think that its a great secret to be 'in on'. The former head of cycling for a big media sponsor knew about their team implying a dodgy doctor and various injections but thought nothing more of it and certainly didn't raise any concerns.

Millar is the worse kind, his words and actions are polar opposite and the gullible corporate chamois sniffers that he spends time with believe his every word thus making doping pay and maintaining the omertà.

you mean Shane Sutton and Sky hiring Leinders?

No and no. Doesn't really matter who, the concern is that it happens.

 

[Freddythefrog]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/david-millar-tours-to-bring-back-good-and-bad-memories-206466

I need to check my piggy bank !

 

[Benotti69]

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http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/david-millar-tours-to-bring-back-good-and-bad-memories-206466

I need to check my piggy bank !

Millar rubbing the 'fans with typewriters' up the right way. Ugh!

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...rs-to-bring-back-good-and-bad-memories-206466

I need to check my piggy bank !

Aaaaauuuugggghhhhh...

It’s not over the top and it’s not pretentious

If Millar is involved, how can it not be both?

Millar – who has also released his own clothing range – is to ride at least one of the days with the group of 25 riders, who will be staying in luxury hotels and have a professional support team on the road.

At least one!!!!

Where do I sign up?

 

[Irondan]

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http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/david-millar-tours-to-bring-back-good-and-bad-memories-206466

I need to check my piggy bank !

Where do I << pukes in mouth >> sign up?

Poor David will have to remember some not so fun times on his bike while he's pocketing thousands of euro's...

He's livin the dopers dream!

 

[thehog]

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http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...rs-to-bring-back-good-and-bad-memories-206466

I need to check my piggy bank !

Aaaaauuuugggghhhhh...

It’s not over the top and it’s not pretentious

If Millar is involved, how can it not be both?

Millar – who has also released his own clothing range – is to ride at least one of the days with the group of 25 riders, who will be staying in luxury hotels and have a professional support team on the road.

At least one!!!!

Where do I sign up?

That's good of him. He also might have to squeeze a ride in with the investors in his movie. That's a of two rides.

Hopefully David will be available for some campfire stories on the package tour, recounting stories about people who's name he doesn't remember.

 

[fmk_RoI]

It's Friday and as well as being poets day and as well as meaning it's fish and chips for dinner, Friday means film reviews in the inkies. And today's film - St David's troubled Time Trial flick, which has had a gestation period that makes elephants seem quick - offers Clinic regulars a chance to indulge in our second favourite drink (after the Kool-Aid): schadenfreude.

The Times calls it pretentious:

Finlay Pretsell’s rather pretentious film follows Millar on his final season in cycling in 2014 as he strives to gain selection for what will be his 13th Tour de France.

The Guardian gives it a middle of the road three stars:

The film immerses us in the (to my amateur eye) rather joyless business of grinding up and down hills and boiling with sweary resentment at other cyclists. Millar is shown at one stage having to be pulled over by his team to get his gloves on and jacket zipped up properly, like a miserable kid.

Elsewhere you'll find it politely dismissed as "a film for fans of the sport and of Millar himself".

The Times, via:

 

[thehog]

Imagine a night in with the David Millar movie and Walsh’s The Program! A bots perfect date night! A Rapha jersey is sensual nightwear

On a side note; didn’t Millar ask for donations for this movie?

 

[fmk_RoI]

On a side note; didn’t Millar ask for donations for this movie?

The production company - not Millar - turned to crowd-funding to raise money and act as a publicity stunt.

We’d done very comprehensive research on LinkedIn, which at the time (I believe they’ve changed things around again now) allowed you to cross-search by people’s roles and interests. Due to that initial research, we quickly realised that there was a high net worth crowd around cycling. It’s beginning to replace golf in many ways as the sport of choice for affluent people in their forties and fifties who are discovering it later in life and becoming very passionate. Because of that passion, we realised that we might be able to finance the film through private investment, and it worked. All of our funders are cycling fans.

 

[thehog]

On a side note; didn’t Millar ask for donations for this movie?

The production company - not Millar - turned to crowd-funding to raise money and act as a publicity stunt.

We’d done very comprehensive research on LinkedIn, which at the time (I believe they’ve changed things around again now) allowed you to cross-search by people’s roles and interests. Due to that initial research, we quickly realised that there was a high net worth crowd around cycling. It’s beginning to replace golf in many ways as the sport of choice for affluent people in their forties and fifties who are discovering it later in life and becoming very passionate. Because of that passion, we realised that we might be able to finance the film through private investment, and it worked. All of our funders are cycling fans.

That was it! Hate to see the ROI ratio on this movie. Might bomb as badly as Walsh’s epic disaster

 

[King Boonen]

Unsurprisingly there have been showings with a Q and A session with Millar and Pretsell at the Glasgow Film Theatre. I did ask some people who attended if he showed them how to bang in a bag of blood in the backseat of a car, but I never got an answer...