David Garcia Dapena

[el_peras]

http://blog.lavoz.com/vigo/2011/09/04/0003_201109V4P48991.htm

Interview with the former cyclist about his EPO positive at last year Vuelta

He says he went to an outside of the team doctor because the team was folding and he didn't have any offer for the next year. He doesn't want to say the name of the doctor.
He also says that his case has nothing to do with the Ezequial Mosquera one.
Refuses to talk about the details of how he used the product or if anyone else helped him.
He says he is completely out of cycling but for a money issue with the CPA, he has now his own company where he organizes segway tours for tourists in Tenerife.

 

[nevada]

http://blog.lavoz.com/vigo/2011/09/04/0003_201109V4P48991.htm

Interview with the former cyclist about his EPO positive at last year Vuelta

He says he went to an outside of the team doctor because the team was folding and he didn't have any offer for the next year. He doesn't want to say the name of the doctor.
He also says that his case has nothing to do with the Ezequial Mosquera one.
Refuses to talk about the details of how he used the product or if anyone else helped him.
He says he is completely out of cycling but for a money issue with the CPA, he has now his own company where he organizes segway tours for tourists in Tenerife.

What a total ***.

 

[The Hitch]

Why?

He admits to doping and gets out of cycling.

Moves on with his life.

Why is he a ***?

 

[Benotti69]

why does a guy who claims to have only doped once to get a new contract not want to tell the authorities who provides the PEDs?

Is it because he doesn't believe doping is bad? Well then he must have doped before or is it because he will be getting all his mates in trouble, well then that is omerta and that is why doping still continues to be so widespread in the sport.

 

[nevada]

He injected something but didnt know what it was.

It was a one off.

C'mon......

 

[roundabout]

Not naming his supplier and pulling the lone man act shows that he is not out of cycling completely.

 

[hrotha]

He injected something but didnt know what it was.

It was a one off.

C'mon......

Yep. It was only that once, I did it on my own, no one from the team involved, may I interest you in some omertà.

But hey, I suppose a low-fat confession is better than no confession (hello there, Basso, Valverde, Vinokourov, etc etc).

 

[Papparrazzi]

why does a guy who claims to have only doped once to get a new contract not want to tell the authorities who provides the PEDs?

Is it because he doesn't believe doping is bad? Well then he must have doped before or is it because he will be getting all his mates in trouble, well then that is omerta and that is why doping still continues to be so widespread in the sport.

Exactamundo.

 

[sherer]

why don't the UCI ever follow these things up to find out where the stuff is coming from. if a coach has access to one rider for him to dope you can bet he is doing it with other riders too.

 

[Frosty]

Says he wasnt told what was in the bag so how did he know that there was no hydroxyethyl starch? Is it obvious if there is hydroxyethyl starch in there, even if it is mixed with something else?

 

[spalco]

I don't understand why he would protect the name of his supplier or why the police doesn't make him tell. Surely they have to be interested in someone who is selling people not medically indicated high-grade pharmaceuticals, right?

 

[sniper]

it's also about this incessantly insulting the intelligence of the fans what I find disturbing.
"I've been living and training in a cave, hence how could I know what I was taking? EPO? Never heard off."

On the other hand, Hrotha has a point that Dapena's confession is still better than what we've seen from other caught cyclists.

 

[hrotha]

On the other hand, Hrotha has a point that Dapena's confession is still better than what we've seen from other caught cyclists.

Honestly I'm not even sure it's better despite what I said. These low-fat confessions can fool fans into believing that's all there is to it. When someone doesn't even confess, less people believe them.

 

[brollebol]

I'm wondering how you guys feel about the moral code "never rat on your friends". Since that is basically what's happening here, he's not helping his friends get caught. I can't imagine ratting on my friends if I willingly broke the law (or rules) together with them... Like everyone I'm not happy with the code of silence regarding doping, but would you really do it any different?

Edit: Instead I think it would be amazing for the sport if we had some kind of whistle-blower. A rider who is confronted with pressure to use doping, and then documents everything that is happening and passes it on to the right authorities. At least it wouldn't look like some kind of knee-jerk reaction trying to save your own skin by ratting out your friends...

 

[python]

it's really amazing to me that virtually all articles, including those scientifically inclined, on david garcia's double doping case (epo and hes) missed the key fact.

most articles refer to the hes role as a masking agent or a haemodilutant to be injected separately whilst it's known that there are studied preparations of epo-hes combinations to improve epo bioavailability.

in other words, a combo similar to and rivaling cera touted at one point as undetectable - tat is until lndd busted it.

this would explain perfectly why david was told it's undetectable but got caught (due to unfortunate timing) with both substances whereas mosquera got away with one of them and now fools the world that it was a tiny amount from food...

let ignorance get busted.

 

[spalco]

I'm wondering how you guys feel about the moral code "never rat on your friends". Since that is basically what's happening here, he's not helping his friends get caught. I can't imagine ratting on my friends if I willingly broke the law (or rules) together with them... Like everyone I'm not happy with the code of silence regarding doping, but would you really do it any different?

Edit: Instead I think it would be amazing for the sport if we had some kind of whistle-blower. A rider who is confronted with pressure to use doping, and then documents everything that is happening and passes it on to the right authorities. At least it wouldn't look like some kind of knee-jerk reaction trying to save your own skin by ratting out your friends...

It's not easy, I agree. But I think he should go to prison for it if his convictions are so strong to protect a drug dealer. I don't know what I would do in that situation, my first instinct would probably be to shut up and tell the media to **** off. But then, if I do that, would you give me a job as DS or tv commentator?

 

[nevada]

The only way the sport will improve if people like him spill the beans as a way of reducing their prison sentence.

 

[Cloxxki]

If a doc gets his new client get caught first time doping, he's not worth calling on. We'll see his next clients in this forum very soon
If only we could believe any cyclist's word on this topic....

 

[Von Mises]

I'm wondering how you guys feel about the moral code "never rat on your friends". Since that is basically what's happening here, he's not helping his friends get caught. I can't imagine ratting on my friends if I willingly broke the law (or rules) together with them... Like everyone I'm not happy with the code of silence regarding doping, but would you really do it any different?

Edit: Instead I think it would be amazing for the sport if we had some kind of whistle-blower. A rider who is confronted with pressure to use doping, and then documents everything that is happening and passes it on to the right authorities. At least it wouldn't look like some kind of knee-jerk reaction trying to save your own skin by ratting out your friends...

+1
Exactly, this attitude "never rat on your friends" is cultivated from very early age, from playground already. And yes, it has some negative effects, but it defiently has also some positive effects.

 

[L'arriviste]

Says he wasnt told what was in the bag so how did he know that there was no hydroxyethyl starch? Is it obvious if there is hydroxyethyl starch in there, even if it is mixed with something else?

I think this might be a slightly 'off' translation. I think he was complaining about his and Mosquera's cases being "put in the same bag" - i.e. people treating his and Mosquera's pings as the probable result of the same supply chain. But you can hardly blame them for thinking that, can you?

it's really amazing to me that virtually all articles, including those scientifically inclined, on david garcia's double doping case (epo and hes) missed the key fact.

most articles refer to the hes role as a masking agent or a haemodilutant to be injected separately whilst it's known that there are studied preparations of epo-hes combinations to improve epo bioavailability.

in other words, a combo similar to and rivaling cera touted at one point as undetectable - tat is until lndd busted it.

this would explain perfectly why david was told it's undetectable but got caught (due to unfortunate timing) with both substances whereas mosquera got away with one of them and now fools the world that it was a tiny amount from food...

let ignorance get busted.

This admission is really rather limited. It says, "I bought and did EPO". Beyond that, it says almost nothing else and the successive little denials are all just playing dumb. I guess for admissions to be of any real value, they have to contribute something to the discussion. A sort of Frei / Floyd sort of Admission 2.0 is needed.

The snippet I might possibly buy was his claim not to have understood the HES positive because, as python suggests above, he could have used a prepared combination which contained it. The HES was a rather humdrum ingredient used to hide the giant erythrocyte-shaped elephant in the room.

Forgive my ignorance, python, but when you talk about 'unfortunate timing', can you elaborate on that? Do you mean simply that the test was introduced at an "unfortunate" moment for DGD and EM or is there some chemical half-life issue involved?

 

[Frosty]

I think this might be a slightly 'off' translation. I think he was complaining about his and Mosquera's cases being "put in the same bag" - i.e. people treating his and Mosquera's pings as the probable result of the same supply chain. But you can hardly blame them for thinking that, can you?

Further up the article it says

“I did not know what product I was taking, but I was aware that I was doping,” he told La Voz de Galicia.

and then below

' After days of doubt, I decided to use it. But I knew it was EPO.” '

'As for the Hydroxyethyl starch, he cannot explain that, saying the positive test was “something that even today I do not accept, simply because I never took it, let along to conceal EPO as some insist on saying, since among other things because I didn't know I was taking EPO.” '

He says he didnt know what he was taking, yet accepts taking EPO and not not Hydroxyethyl starch.

 

[L'arriviste]

Further up the article it says

“I did not know what product I was taking, but I was aware that I was doping,” he told La Voz de Galicia.

and then below

' After days of doubt, I decided to use it. But I knew it was EPO.” '

'As for the Hydroxyethyl starch, he cannot explain that, saying the positive test was “something that even today I do not accept, simply because I never took it, let along to conceal EPO as some insist on saying, since among other things because I didn't know I was taking EPO.” '

He says he didnt know what he was taking, yet accepts taking EPO and not not Hydroxyethyl starch.

Yes, you're right. He's a bit inconsistent there, isn't he?

Here's the original interview for ES readers:

http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/deportes/2011/09/04/0003_201109V4P48991.htm

 

[Benotti69]

I'm wondering how you guys feel about the moral code "never rat on your friends". Since that is basically what's happening here, he's not helping his friends get caught. I can't imagine ratting on my friends if I willingly broke the law (or rules) together with them... Like everyone I'm not happy with the code of silence regarding doping, but would you really do it any different?

Edit: Instead I think it would be amazing for the sport if we had some kind of whistle-blower. A rider who is confronted with pressure to use doping, and then documents everything that is happening and passes it on to the right authorities. At least it wouldn't look like some kind of knee-jerk reaction trying to save your own skin by ratting out your friends...

never rat on your friends is great especially when it can lead to their death or long term health problems.

who needs friends like that

 

[Parrot23]

IF Froome's recent performance isn't legit, his motive could be akin to Garcia's. Going into the Vuelta his contract with Sky hadn't been renewed. NO word on it yet even now (and I see Porte is arriving at Sky).

 

[brollebol]

never rat on your friends is great especially when it can lead to their death or long term health problems.

who needs friends like that

So when they get caught they suddenly 'care' about the health of their friends? That's not even relevant here...