David Garcia Dapena

[python]

python, but when you talk about 'unfortunate timing', can you elaborate on that? Do you mean simply that the test was introduced at an "unfortunate" moment for DGD and EM or is there some chemical half-life issue involved?

i was refeering to the short=unfortunate time elapsed between an athlete administering the drug and the time he gets tested. in david's case (if my hypothesis of hes-bound epo is correct) it would imply about 24-48 hours as that's about the detection window for both hes and epo though it would greatly depend on the dose (an unknown) and the molecular weight of hes (there are several variants).

as to the detectability of hes-bound epo, my understanding is it was slightly after the cera test.

ps. you properly picked on my other implicit point - if indeed it was hes-epo,
david garcia may be telling the truth that he had no idea about hes. even his dealer may have been chemically naive. the rest of david garcia story is certainly bogus.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I'm wondering how you guys feel about the moral code "never rat on your friends". Since that is basically what's happening here, he's not helping his friends get caught. I can't imagine ratting on my friends if I willingly broke the law (or rules) together with them... Like everyone I'm not happy with the code of silence regarding doping, but would you really do it any different?

Edit: Instead I think it would be amazing for the sport if we had some kind of whistle-blower. A rider who is confronted with pressure to use doping, and then documents everything that is happening and passes it on to the right authorities. At least it wouldn't look like some kind of knee-jerk reaction trying to save your own skin by ratting out your friends...

Xacobeo-Galicía 2010:

Carlos Castaño - no team, retired
Gustavo César - no team
José Antonio de Segovía - no team
Gustavo Domínguez - no team, retired
Delio Fernández - Onda-Boavista (Por)
Alberto Fernández - no team
David García da Peña - suspended
Marcos García - KTM-Murcía (Gre) until August, no team since 2/8
Rodrigo García Reña - no team
Vladimir Isaychev - Katyusha, connected to doping earlier this year
Serafín Martínez - no team
Ezequiel Mosquera - Vacansoleil-DCM (Ned)(internal suspension)
Nelson Oliveira - Team RadioShack
Francisco José Pacheco - no team
Gonzalo Rabuñal - no team
Gustavo Rodríguez - no team

Apart from Nelson Oliveira, I don't really see anybody who is even potentially being protected here? You could argue Mosquera of course, but he's not on the road, and García would do a better favour for Mosquera by not saying anything at all.

 

[Benotti69]

So when they get caught they suddenly 'care' about the health of their friends? That's not even relevant here...

no i doubt they ever were and ever will be friends.

Some guy you meet on your new team starts pressurising you to dope because it will help the team, he is isn't your friend, he's some guy looking to improve the teams performance and therefore increase his earnings.

it always amazes me that people say "never rat out your friends", these are not friends, they are team mates for a season or 2, maybe more, but no, in most cases are not friends.

in the case of the doctors they most definitely are not friends, they are people making extortionate sums of money on illegal activities and possibly administering health damaging products. My friends would not let me do something that would potentially damage my health to win at sport or a job. they would tell me get a new job bro, i'll help you with money while you sort yourself but dont do that dope shít.

No it isn't ratting out your friends.

i could give you the example of a guy, a mulit millionaire ex rider ho couldn't give his friend a ride on his team after his friend came back from a 2 year suspension and after he kept his mouth shut about lots he kew because he thought he was not gonna rat out his friends. But the guy saw the light and realised that the multimillionaire guy was no one's friend