Dede Barry

[Freddythefrog]

It is great to see that Michael Barry is owning up to his past and seeks our forgiveness.
“I apologize to those I deceived. I will accept my suspension and any other consequences. I will work hard to regain people’s trust.”

His wife came out of nowhere in 2004 to gain 2nd place in the Olympic TT, in a stunning time, 2nd only to an unbelievable ride by Leontin van Morsel.

If you look at the palmares of Dede e.g. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dede_Barry the factual trail is that 2002, 2003 and 2004 gave no witness whatsoever that Dede would ride the socks off so many others in the peloton at Athens.

Dede - keeping your powder dry ? Putting the opposition off the scent ?

Michael here is a big moment. You want our forgiveness, because you are now "born again" and speak only the truth in the era of the new dawn.

Or are you a lying toady just trying to say the bare minimum to save your skin when dragged kicking and screaming into court. You have utter contempt for the fans and will bull***t them with whatever you think you can get away with.

Oh how could you suggest such a thing - nasty Freddy ?

Michael, invite Mrs Barry to join you on your lovely new soapbox where you support "truth and reconciliation and a new future for all". While you were juicing it up to the eyeballs, was the Mrs sitting on the side saying "tut, tut, don't do that you naughty boy - look, I can go from zero to hero on orange juice and mom's apple pie - just you watch". "Oh dear, only 2nd, that wonderful Leontin is sooooooo good."

 

[cineteq]

never mind

 

[Freddythefrog]

meanwhile at another husband/wife double act -

How is the Longo/Ciprelli case doing ?

enter scene left - worried wife takes knob of un-melted butter out of mouth and says - "Nasty hubster Patrice buying all that dope off evil Joe Papp whilst I am trying to earn a living riding clean. It is so much effort trying to do the best for the household with hubby spending so much on 5 years supply of epo for himself. He told me he was buying for the mother in law of Raimondus Rumsas now the evil boy was no longer looking out for his aged relative !"

 

[Freddythefrog]

Cycling Canada have to decide

are they as bad as the rest and will turn over the page and "forget".

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/10/10/live-blog-lance-armstrong-report/


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According to his affidavit, Zabriskie felt cornered but eventually decided to take EPO. Dr. del Moral injected both Zabriskie and Barry. Bruyneel said that if someone came to the door of the apartment after they used EPO, they should not answer the door. Bruyneel and del Moral also left a box of testosterone patches, saying EPO worked best when taken with testosterone. Afterward, Barry, Zabriskie and Barry’s wife Dede discussed EPO and justified using it because of its “wide use in the peloton.”

Looks like that is a slam dunk.

Cycling Canada have you got a spine ? I see on your web site the logo is "Race clean own your own victory"

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

Cycling Canada have you got a spine ?

It's been over 8 years. By a few hours.

 

[shalgo]

Cycling Canada have you got a spine ? I see on your web site the logo is "Race clean own your own victory"

Dede Barry is American.

 

[D-Queued]

Dede Barry is American.

Which, unfortunately, is almost certainly the Cycling Canada line.

...we are such a small cycling nation... ...please don't hurt us... cycling is cleaner now...

Embarrassing.

Thank you Michael Barry. I am tired of all of the pretending within this country - especially by those who damn well know what is going on.

Like, it is too cold for our cyclists to think of PEDs?

Dave.

 

[Big Daddy]

Wonder what, if anything, Armstrong told Dede? After all Armstrong does have a way of sending subtle threatening messages to the wives and family members of other riders. Just ask Levi.

 

[Freddythefrog]

are they as bad as the rest and will turn over the page and "forget".


Cycling Canada have you got a spine ? I see on your web site the logo is "Race clean own your own victory"

thanks Shalgo !

My mistake - what an idiot - of course - nothing to do with Canada. So USADA have jurisdiction and just as they extended back with Lance they can do the same for Dede.

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

My mistake - what an idiot - of course - nothing to do with Canada. So USADA have jurisdiction and just as they extended back with Lance they can do the same for Dede.

Read this

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf

and then explain why Dede's case should be extended back as was Lance's.

 

[Freddythefrog]

How about - because she stole others livelihood and earnings ? Not good enough for you ?

 

[skidmark]

How about - because she stole others livelihood and earnings ? Not good enough for you ?

It doesn't matter if it's 'good enough' for us random forum members or not. I believe the Reasoned Decision made it pretty clear that the only way to extend the statute of limitations is to show evidence that the accused took steps to obscure the evidence so as to delay it long enough that it wouldn't come out (eg. lance intimidating witnesses) before the statute of limitations was up. It also made it clear that anecdotal/circumstantial evidence wouldn't be good enough unless it came from numerous sources (such as 11 former USPS riders, various Ferrari clients, etc). I don't see any of that happening in Dede Barry's case - even if she doped alot, it is possible that it was not as obvious as Armstrong, and therefore there are few to no witnesses. And I would assume she didn't have to take steps to cover up evidence coming out, because no one was trying to out her. So the 8 year statute would apply.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

After the Landis shoe dropped (where he accused Mike of dopping), she lost her sh*t. Called it 'defamation', etc and was spouting off about a possible law suit.

If memory serves, she had her brightest days at Saturn. All under the tutelage of Mr. Wenzel - and we all know his palmares...

Hey, Dede, STF!

 

[131313]

" 'It’s complete defamation is what it is,' said Demet from their home in Girona, Spain. 'And it’s really, really hurtful, especially for someone like Michael, who’s been in the sport for as many years as he has and he’s always done the best he can do to be ethical and to do things the right way on every level. That’s what makes it especially hurtful. You can’t really take it back when your name is smeared in the press.'”

http://veloptimum.net/velonouvelles/10/ART/5mai/TorontoStar20B.htm

So, it would appear that at the minimum, she's a total liar. I mean, it's one thing to issue a lame-a$$ Contador-style denial, it's another to get all high-and-mighty and throw out the sob-story along with the "defamation" nonsense. For me, it certainly makes me question anything she's accomplished in her own career.

 

[skidmark]

" 'It’s complete defamation is what it is,' said Demet from their home in Girona, Spain. 'And it’s really, really hurtful, especially for someone like Michael, who’s been in the sport for as many years as he has and he’s always done the best he can do to be ethical and to do things the right way on every level. That’s what makes it especially hurtful. You can’t really take it back when your name is smeared in the press.'”

http://veloptimum.net/velonouvelles/10/ART/5mai/TorontoStar20B.htm

So, it would appear that at the minimum, she's a total liar. I mean, it's one thing to issue a lame-a$$ Contador-style denial, it's another to get all high-and-mighty and throw out the sob-story along with the "defamation" nonsense. For me, it certainly makes me question anything she's accomplished in her own career.

Yeah, barf. If I recall, Barry himself wasn't so tactful when talking about Landis. I hope he's preparing an apology to Floyd.

 

[131313]

Yeah, barf. If I recall, Barry himself wasn't so tactful when talking about Landis. I hope he's preparing an apology to Floyd.

This is one of the reasons which I have a tiny bit more respect for Zabriskie; at no point did he ever actually deny Flandis' comments or try to make him out to be the bad guy, at least that I recall.

 

[Freddythefrog]

A post Olympic interview on Pez is telling >>>>>>>

Randall:…..Were you gunning for a medal in the Olympic TT champs right from the start of the 2004 season?

Dede: At the start of the year, I was very focused on qualifying for both the Olympic road race and the time trial, but as the Olympics approached I put more energy into my preparation for the time trial. I realized through my SRM data, that I had a very good chance at a medal in the time trial if I prepared properly.

Translate to – I was nowhere but wow that stuff worked ! Stick it in your veins and it was like having a motor on the bike !

Randall: In the last weeks leading up to Athens you didn't do a lot of races. To be honest, I was worried you might not be ready for Athens. What was your confidence level the night before the race?

Dede: I felt perfectly prepared for the Olympic Games when I arrived Athens.

translate to - I knew the numbers – no-one not on the juice was going to get near me !

I won the Sparkassen Giro in Bochum, Germany the week before the road race and felt great. In the Olympic road race, I felt strong, but I did not feel all that snappy, perhaps because of the heat or because so much of my training consisted of steady state time trial efforts in the final weeks before the Games. I was a bit nervous for the time trial, but excited. And after taking it easy the day after the road race, I had super legs and felt very confident that I was in my best condition .

Well who the heck wouldn’t with EPO preparation a la Lance ! Tyler was going to win the men’s could this be an American double ?

Then the Butter wouldn’t melt in my mouth stuff .

Randall: And when you realized you had won the Silver Medal?

Dede: I was ecstatic. It was a dream come true.

What would you say are the defining characteristics of a true professional?

Dede: I did not feel on my best condition at the World Championships. I was having problems with my back in the month leading up to it, but I wanted to give my best effort, as I knew that it would be my last race. I think as a professional, it is important to always give your best effort.

Translate - as a cynical & consummate professional, it always pays when you stack the whole deck as much in your favour as much as you can !

Randall: …..You have proven your ability as a cyclist many times over. But what I find remarkable about you is your attitude. I have never once heard you complain. I have never heard you say a negative word about the other riders. You never make excuses and you are always quick to recognize the achievements of others. You have become perhaps the spokesperson for women's pro-cycling. I think this is your greatest victory and it is what makes you a champion for the ages. What do you think?

Dede: Perhaps. My father taught me to always try to be the best I possibly can no matter what task I pursue. But my parents also set a great example as people that helped out others and were constantly there for other people. My father was a big part of my life and career and since he died he has not only continued to been a driving force behind my cycling but also my formation as a person.

Spokesman for women’s cycling ! Highwayman of women’s cycling, robbing of the deserving, keeping for herself. Were part of dad’s standards to cheat and lie ?

These people need to be exposed .

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=2667

In as deep as you can get

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llV4q9vQqGE

Bob Roll, Andy Hampsten and Ron Kiefel sqaure off in a trike race at the Boulder Theater at a benefit for the Lance Armstrong Foundation hosted by Davis Phinney and Scott Coady. Michael Barry as Chief Referee and Dede Demet Barry as the Official Starter. Hamsten finished first, Roll second, Kiefel third. Trikes were auctioned off for charity.

Auctioned for charity ! Look at the auditor's report and recommendations !

 

[Bandoblue]

"That night Michael and his wife Dede and I had a conversation about EPO and its wide use in the peloton. They proceeded to come up with justifications for the drug use." Deposition of Dave Z, page 8.

I'm new to cycling--I took up road riding 2 1/2 years ago and quickly came to love it. I then got interested in the pro sport. One of the early people I came across was Michael Barry, and I was charmed by his great talent as a writer. He was the kind of pro I could identify with-- a journeyman, a domestique, a hard worker with little glory. And I came to admire Dede through his writing about her. She seemed like another human-scale hero-- no Marianne Vos, rather a decent rider who had her ups and downs but one who earned a couple of fine palameres we could all be proud of--one of them on her father in law's handmade steel bike.

After I read Walsh, the scales fell from my eyes, and I never trusted anything about Armstrong again. I kenw the "A Team" was dirty. Yet somehow I wanted to give Barry the benefit of the doubt, and I never really reflected on Dede at all. I was new to all this and didn't think it through very deeply. My faith in Barry's candor took a hit--I now recognized on the Postal bus as a whitewash--but I still admired his writing skill and seeming good nature.

So when I read this my heart died a little. I realized from the pang I felt that I still wanted to believe in these two journeyman heroes. I wanted to believe in the domestique who found his calling as a writer, and his charming wife who found great form at the right moment only once or twice in her career, and who probably cherished her two great results more than others cherish their page-long palameres.

But reading Zabriskie's flat account it all came crashing down. I was a fool.

I've taken great satisfaction in Lance's downfall--he is a disturbed and evil man, and the kind of personality is sport I have always disliked.

But I was still naive enough to be taken in by my everyman and everywomen couple who I empathized with and wanted to believe.

It was the Barrys who hurt me this week.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Oh, Bando...

It sucks, it really does.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Read this

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf

and then explain why Dede's case should be extended back as was Lance's.

"The eight-year statute of limitation found in Article 17 of the Code is not absolute. As
the CAS panel in CAS 2005/C/841 CONI found, the “interruption, suspension, expiry or
extension of such [eight-year] time-bar . . . . should be dealt with in the context of the principles
of private law of the country where the interested sports authority is domiciled.”

Looks fine to me. Within the scope of the difficulty of proof and capability of testing regimens, Dede would appear to be required to come before an investigation to determine whether she used PEDs.

 

[Master50]

Is there any point where you just move foreword? This continued and incessant need to prosecute and examine every performance of the past is a sign of mental illness. Do you really think that prosecuting 8 year old maybe she doped questions will serve todays riders? Take the money from where to prosecute a weak case over 8 years old? How many current tests do you want to not make this year to prosecute this?

 

[Benotti69]

If the past dopers are not addressed it is hard to make those currently in the sport think before doping.

Dede Barry has her palmeres which she it would appear obtained by doping. Why let her keep them? How does that prevent people from saying I wont dope?

 

[Freddythefrog]

Is there any point where you just move foreword? This continued and incessant need to prosecute and examine every performance of the past is a sign of mental illness. Do you really think that prosecuting 8 year old maybe she doped questions will serve todays riders? Take the money from where to prosecute a weak case over 8 years old? How many current tests do you want to not make this year to prosecute this?

Pre discovering Jesus

"That’s something my father taught me when I was a young kid. That’s always been the most important thing to me. I’ve always made my own finish line............to be able to sleep well at night.”

“I’ve always raced clean and that was the goal since I was a kid. My mother put those values into me and my mother made me promise I would go back to school the minute I felt I wasn’t progressing. Having their support has been crucial in all this.”

Are you close enough to spewing right now ?


Do you need more ? Are you the brother of Dede Barry ?


“I was shocked when I was told about it,” said the 34-year-old. “But at the same time, Floyd has lied under oath already and he’s pretty much thrown everybody who’s been associated with him in cycling into this."

"I also really don’t understand why I’m involved. It’s not true.”

Still not over the big white phone calling for Hughie ?

“It’s complete defamation is what it is,” said Demet from their home in Girona, Spain. “And it’s really, really hurtful, especially for someone like Michael, who’s been in the sport for as many years as he has and he’s always done the best he can do to be ethical and to do things the right way on every level. That’s what makes it especially hurtful. You can’t really take it back when your name is smeared in the press.”

She has an Olympic silver medal from a year when her performances went from nowhere to rocket woman. She talked a young Zabreski into taking epo. No future without doing it my son, you know it makes sense. She is there with Lance partying and enjoying the high life like one of the Great Train Robbers who has not been caught.

She has shared in the spoils, has lied and cheated and for some reason she is being left alone. She was part of the US selection panel for the 2012 Olympics. What is she going to do - ask if the probables have juiced up enough and if they haven't - kick them out ?

You wave her hello from me and have a beer out of her fridge with her. Turn over the page. What lovely clean paper we find here.

I would leave off if I thought for one moment that either of the Barry's was sincere about their regrets.

http://cyclistsinternational.com/?p=3234

gives the best analysis of the lack of sincerity of the apology. Legal crafted get outs limiting damage.

How about this from Michael - post his finding Jesus

Did doping make you a better biker?
The drugs made me feel sluggish at first, but eventually I got used to them. I assumed they helped me physically, but I didn’t expect the mental toll. If you’re not sleeping and feel paranoid and guilty all the time, it affects your performance massively. It was only once I stopped that I realized the gains
were minimal.

You’re 37, and you’ve just retired. What will you do next?
I’ve written three cycling books, and I have a contract to write one more. The Canadian anti-doping agency has also approached me about speaking to students about my experiences.

Oh great - can I book Michael, his wife and kids to come and sweet talk the youngsters !

 

[D-Queued]

....

I would leave off if I thought for one moment that either of the Barry's was sincere about their regrets.

http://cyclistsinternational.com/?p=3234

gives the best analysis of the lack of sincerity of the apology. Legal crafted get outs limiting damage.

How about this from Michael - post his finding Jesus

Did doping make you a better biker?
The drugs made me feel sluggish at first, but eventually I got used to them. I assumed they helped me physically, but I didn’t expect the mental toll. If you’re not sleeping and feel paranoid and guilty all the time, it affects your performance massively. It was only once I stopped that I realized the gains
were minimal.

You’re 37, and you’ve just retired. What will you do next?
I’ve written three cycling books, and I have a contract to write one more. The Canadian anti-doping agency has also approached me about speaking to students about my experiences.

Oh great - can I book Michael, his wife and kids to come and sweet talk the youngsters !

We have to assume that they are at least as sincere about being honest about their doping as they were about lying about doping in the first place.

Michael, even more than Dede, does have some kind of halo over his head thing going. And, this is Canada we are talking about where doping only happens in the Men's 100m track event when it is held in a small Asian country.

So, sure, let's have Michael explain to impressionable children about how to get ahead by doping.

Nobody has yet put the one-and-one together on the husband and wife's 7th and 11th place respective finishes on home turf at the 2003 UCI World's together.

For Canada, Michael's 7th in Hamilton was a virtual gold medal.

Too bad those results are now both drug tainted*. But, no surprise. Heck, as Michael has admitted, there was 'peer pressure'.

Do you think he meant pressure from Dede or from Lance when he said that?

It should be noted that when it comes to 'peer pressure', Michael (and his Dad) have been asked REPEATEDLY by their Canadian peers to shed some honest light on the doping within USPS. All of these requests, no matter how polite, were rebuked.

If Michael were really sensitive to peer pressure, he would have come clean a lot earlier.

Dave.

*Barry's results from May 31, 2003 to July 31, 2006 have officially been disqualified.

I have yet to read a single article, however, observing that this coincides with the 2003 World Championships in Hamilton Ontario, which took place 7 October to 12 October, 2003.

 

[Master50]

Pre discovering Jesus

"That’s something my father taught me when I was a young kid. That’s always been the most important thing to me. I’ve always made my own finish line............to be able to sleep well at night.”

“I’ve always raced clean and that was the goal since I was a kid. My mother put those values into me and my mother made me promise I would go back to school the minute I felt I wasn’t progressing. Having their support has been crucial in all this.”

Are you close enough to spewing right now ?


Do you need more ? Are you the brother of Dede Barry ?


“I was shocked when I was told about it,” said the 34-year-old. “But at the same time, Floyd has lied under oath already and he’s pretty much thrown everybody who’s been associated with him in cycling into this."

"I also really don’t understand why I’m involved. It’s not true.”

Still not over the big white phone calling for Hughie ?

“It’s complete defamation is what it is,” said Demet from their home in Girona, Spain. “And it’s really, really hurtful, especially for someone like Michael, who’s been in the sport for as many years as he has and he’s always done the best he can do to be ethical and to do things the right way on every level. That’s what makes it especially hurtful. You can’t really take it back when your name is smeared in the press.”

She has an Olympic silver medal from a year when her performances went from nowhere to rocket woman. She talked a young Zabreski into taking epo. No future without doing it my son, you know it makes sense. She is there with Lance partying and enjoying the high life like one of the Great Train Robbers who has not been caught.

She has shared in the spoils, has lied and cheated and for some reason she is being left alone. She was part of the US selection panel for the 2012 Olympics. What is she going to do - ask if the probables have juiced up enough and if they haven't - kick them out ?

You wave her hello from me and have a beer out of her fridge with her. Turn over the page. What lovely clean paper we find here.

I would leave off if I thought for one moment that either of the Barry's was sincere about their regrets.

http://cyclistsinternational.com/?p=3234

gives the best analysis of the lack of sincerity of the apology. Legal crafted get outs limiting damage.

How about this from Michael - post his finding Jesus

Did doping make you a better biker?
The drugs made me feel sluggish at first, but eventually I got used to them. I assumed they helped me physically, but I didn’t expect the mental toll. If you’re not sleeping and feel paranoid and guilty all the time, it affects your performance massively. It was only once I stopped that I realized the gains
were minimal.

You’re 37, and you’ve just retired. What will you do next?
I’ve written three cycling books, and I have a contract to write one more. The Canadian anti-doping agency has also approached me about speaking to students about my experiences.

Oh great - can I book Michael, his wife and kids to come and sweet talk the youngsters !

Answer this question. how many drug test shall we not do this year to prosecute this case? Maybe you and your other moralist can take a collection to fund the Truth and justice commission you are spending all the money on. Wee keep criticizing the efforts of the past based on todays knowledge but rooting out the truth of the past is even more expensive. It is a simple matter of resources and outcomes. If you think that USADA has the cash to chase all the 8 to 10 year old suspicions you are just making it free for the current crop to avoid drug testing because we spent the money on offences way past the statute of limitations. Where are the 10 witnesses and the well supported conspiracy elements of your case?
USADA has more than bike racing to look after too. If USADA or any anti doping agency started to wholesale prosecute past offences in the manner of LA we would need to triple or maybe even tens of times the money. You can have your prosecution if you can substantiate the charges, Pay for the lawyers and the prosecutors time, Court costs, investigators, etc.
The LA case was a real anomaly and maybe the profile was high enough that the outcome was worth the cost but chasing after these little individuals is expensive and every penny spent here is a penny not spent on current athletes.
Make all the moral arguments you like but there is no upside here and the case is so thin that a successful prosecution is wholly unlikely. An unsuccessful prosecution would also increase the reluctance to prosecute cases they do have a good case on too.
No I am not Friends with Dede and I have met Michael but I don't know him