Dr. Maserati
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Barry has admitted his doping.
How much do you think it costs to 'prosecute' someone under those circumstances?
How much do you think it costs to 'prosecute' someone under those circumstances?
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frenchfry said:I can understand Freddy's anger. There is a feeling of absolute insincerity about Barry's "confession", which is made even worse by the fact that he built his image as a sort of organic/pure kind of rider. Add to that the USPS bus fiction and the Floyd bashing and the "I stopped doping in 2006" BS line, he deserves to be hung out to dry. That he talks about seamlessly transforming himself into some sort of anti-doping advocate is too much.
Start by telling the truth, the whole dirty truth, then we can start the healing process. Until then, go hide in a hole.
Master50 said:Answer this question. how many drug test shall we not do this year to prosecute this case? ......... there is no upside here and the case is so thin that a successful prosecution is wholly unlikely. An unsuccessful prosecution would also increase the reluctance to prosecute cases they do have a good case on too.
Fortyninefourteen said:Lots of pi55ed people here in Canada about this guy. He is not even returning phone calls from the cycling media, to whom he lied for years about clean bla bla.....and now claims to be the spokesperson for clean sport in schools etc.
The most offensive part of his and others' confessions, is how they all magically found God around the same time.
Head of the CCA wants his carding money back, and if there was any sincerity in Barry's atonement, he would give back the money. Let's see how that goes......
Master50 was talking about USADA - Dede Barry, not Michael.Dr. Maserati said:Barry has admitted his doping.
How much do you think it costs to 'prosecute' someone under those circumstances?
Master50 said:Is there any point where you just move foreword?
D-Queued said:Glad to hear it. Carding money is modest, but there is value in the appearance of the funding recovery.
The CCA has been embarrassing with its public comments on the whole affair, however.
Here was the official CCA press release on the release of the USADA Reasoned Decision:
"John Tolkamp, President of the Cycling Canada reacted to the news: "The sport of road cycling has come a long way in the last five to seven years to clean-up the sport....today we can witness that the culture of the sport of road cycling is rapidly changing towards a clean sport."
Classic Ostrich.
And then this:
“Michael was the quintessential Canadian: loyal, selfless, hard working, understated,” Canadian Cycling Association president John Tolkamp said after Barry’s retirement announcement.
Like many, Tolkamp was shocked and saddened with what he learned from Barry’s testimony.
That is completely embarrassing.
What is the quintessential Canadian? Apparently it is a self-admitted doper.
Don't expect any change leadership on doping in this country.
Dave.
Fortyninefourteen said:I am not quite that negative.
The Quebec federation has historically come down very hard on riders who either have tested + or even suspicious riders.
I hope I am right.
DirtyWorks said:I can't recall which federation did what in Canada, but what about the elite Louis Garneau amateurs who were busted for EPO use? The usual "isolated incident" response from the federation and then total silence.
Which, I don't believe. Someone, maybe more than one is a source for EPO in a small summer athletics scene and that topic was never discussed.
DirtyWorks said:Pat and Hein keep trying to sell the "move on" for the last 20 years and it's gotten us doping deaths, Conconi/Ferarri/scumbag lab geniuses, Festina, Willy Voet, Armstrong's scumbag crew at Tailwind/USA Cycling.
"forward" in this environment is the Sky 2012 doping/race fixing.
Why do you insist on pretending?
Master50 said:Plus if my economic justification is a model then these may fit the return on prosecution vs cost. It may be offensive to make it a cost factor but the general return to society against the cost to prosecute is a daily factor in criminal cases where often real physical harm to another is shown.
Fortyninefourteen said:Lots of pi55ed people here in Canada about this guy. He is not even returning phone calls from the cycling media, to whom he lied for years about clean bla bla.....and now claims to be the spokesperson for clean sport in schools etc.
The most offensive part of his and others' confessions, is how they all magically found God around the same time.
Head of the CCA wants his carding money back, and if there was any sincerity in Barry's atonement, he would give back the money. Let's see how that goes......
pedaling squares said:Master50 was talking about USADA - Dede Barry, not Michael.
Fortyninefourteen said:I am not quite that negative.
The Quebec federation has historically come down very hard on riders who either have tested + or even suspicious riders.
They threw Jeanson under the bus hard when she missed doping controls....no license from Canada. She had to get a US license. She was hounded by the local media until she cracked. I was in Hamilton when her hematocrit test came back @ 56 or 57. Standard operating procedure.Press conference, denial, hypoxic tent the culprit.....while other Canadian girls all knew what was up.
The 2 guys currently running the performance side of the CCA walked away from Europe mostly because of the dope culture.
CCA needs funding badly and could not afford to be tolerant to dopers.
I hope I am right.
Neworld said:Watching him charge up the Hamilton Escarpment in 2003...'not normal' for Mike for sure.
Race Radio said:I was there that day, directly downhill from the summit. It was thrilling to see him attack his group of A+ riders while the crowd when crazy......but it was clear to me that was not real
Neworld said:Sorry I know this is supposed to be about DD...I just want to clarify one point. I have been accused of disliking a rider just because he is an ****. Here is a Canadian, who is actually a nice guy, but I still dislike him. Mike is a very sophisticated person, who wears his amiable cloak and organic nature so well that you might actually believe he was clean. I did, until that day of the WC in Hammertown.
Someone should contact Bauer about Mike, they knew each other 'very' well.
the delgados said:I don't get the need to hang on to notions that riders from Canada don't dope.
the delgados said:Until Barry's disingenuous confession, mere mention in Toronto that he couldn't have ridden clean was met with death stares.
To this day, Bauer is regarded as a squeaky clean rider, despite the fact he backed Armstrong till the bitter end.
I don't get the need to hang on to notions that riders from Canada don't dope.
Reminds me of the Ben Johnson affair. He was a Canadian until he got caught. Then he was from Jamaica.
compete_clean said:The people who believe Canadians don't dope clearly didn't do any racing in Canada.
The Mike Barry admission really bugs me. The Floyd Landis comments, the no doping after 2006, the "no choice", the "it didn't make me feel good" ...
Just makes me sick.
D-Queued said:His Hammerton performance only lacked the circus tent.
Here is a guy that never even make his own team's TdF squad (well known as full blown dopers even at that time) as a Domestique.
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Any other Canadians ride with Doper boy?
Nah, we must have exposed all the dopers.
Dave.
Neworld said:Agreed. In the recent past and currently every Canadian rider, all riders, are on the potential doping list.
As for Bauer I am sure he knew of Lancey, and probably just stayed close enough to be his friend but far enough away to stay clear of his sordid path. But at the end of Steve's career he basically faded away without wins. In fact he was on a CBC program that basically catalogued his near depression in cycling due to the fact he could not 'regain' his winning form. I wonder if Lemond can shed some light on Bauer.
I have only heard that he was not a user. Has anyone heard otherwise?
Fortyninefourteen said:I am confident that Bauer, Fraser, Landry, all rode clean. Not so sure about the past of one current rider doing quite well at the moment.
jam pants said:Ryder and the other early-to-mid 2000s MTB crew are as dirty as the mud they rode in. Roland Green paved the way.