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Diagnose the fall

Nov 19, 2010
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can anyone point to a cause of the fall that you'll see in the first 10 seconds of this video? I've watched it about 15 times and I still can't figure it out. I also can't figure out who it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeMJQZJ2Eqs
And the video is pretty good if you haven't seen it or didn't catch the race
 
It looks like he leans to far over in the corner and the wheels start to slip so that he would fall on his left side but he jerks the bike to try and keep himself up but it goes to far and the bike jumps out to the left and he falls to the other side instead.
 
Nov 19, 2010
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I also noticed a change in the pavement right where he falls. He looks like such a newb though.
 
Mar 11, 2009
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Yeah, looks like his wheels started to wash out on him when he rode over the white paint triangles, and he over-corrected.
 
Nov 17, 2010
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mombus said:
I also noticed a change in the pavement right where he falls. He looks like such a newb though.

Yes, the road level drops causing his front wheel to get a tiny bit of 'airtime'.
The resistance given from the road surface is suddenly taken away for a split second which results in him rotating the bars too far.
 
Mar 8, 2010
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He was sleeping or exhausted
Wrong balance in corner + white (dusty) roadmark and little edge, correction resulting in something like a highsider.
 
Aug 11, 2009
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I seem to remember when they showed the replays on tv that one wheel lost traction going over some gravel/debris while the bike was banked in the corner; the wheel slid out for a moment and then caught traction again on the normal pavement; when the wheel got solid traction again, the bike had jacknifed enough that the two wheels were not moving in the same direction; this resulted in Serpa getting launched.
 
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notcredible said:
Yes, the road level drops causing his front wheel to get a tiny bit of 'airtime'.
The resistance given from the road surface is suddenly taken away for a split second which results in him rotating the bars too far.

This seems about right. He has a mini "loose" of his front wheel, but his attempts to catch this leads to an over correction. When the front wheel grips again his bars are way off line and he essentially high sides.

The diagnosis would be "over correction of intial loss of front wheel traction".
 
Aug 11, 2009
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fatsprintking said:
... he essentially high sides.

Yep. And thank God road bicycles don't high side like sport bikes. Ouch.

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Nov 19, 2010
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max_powers said:
I can't figure out what caused this crash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFJzbW2cLbU


He had the win, but decided to lunge anyway... probably because he thought it was the cool thing to do or something. Problem is, that was the first race he'd won in his life and wasn't accustomed to necking out. This results in a huge bummer for him. My advice: next time don't get fancy when it's not necessary.
 
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max_powers said:
I can't figure out what caused this crash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFJzbW2cLbU

Something similar happened to me once (like 40 km/h slower, tho). Perhaps he slightly released the grip with his left hand while he was leaning forward. And then he probably moved his center of mass a little bit to his left, so it wasn't properly over the vertical wheels' axis. That provoked a bit of torque. Not too much, but his hand wasn't correcting it by holding the bike and he wasn't on his saddle yet. At least he won.
 
Jun 30, 2009
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I remember an article stating that he did not wear gloves that day and his sweaty hands slipped off of the bars.
 
Aug 17, 2010
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mombus said:
can anyone point to a cause of the fall that you'll see in the first 10 seconds of this video? I've watched it about 15 times and I still can't figure it out. I also can't figure out who it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeMJQZJ2Eqs
And the video is pretty good if you haven't seen it or didn't catch the race

Love the first youtube comment,

"I can't figure out why this song was matched with this footage...cycling and coldplay are like oil and water. Did your girlfriend break up with you right before you made this???"
 
Mar 17, 2009
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mombus said:
I also noticed a change in the pavement right where he falls. He looks like such a newb though.
The "newb" was José Serpa who had earlier won the Tour of Lankawi.